Windows 10 Starter, was it a thing back then?

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Windows 10 Starter, was it a thing back then?

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Just recently I heard that a Starter version of Windows 10 Build 10537 was uploaded to archive.org, not sure if it is real or not since this build identifies itself as Windows 8 Starter (although there was NO Windows 8/8.1 Starter back then, last Windows Starter release was Windows 7 Starter for netbooks). Before this I've seen Build 15025 Starter and a whole 6:18 video about this SKU.

Here's Build 10537's "Starter" so you can see if it's legit or not:
https://archive.org/details/10.0.10537. ... _x64_EN-US

I can't use the Image Uploader just yet since I don't have 3 approved posts, but oh well.

and for YT videos:



BetaWiki doesn't even mention that Build 10537 had a Starter SKU so I'm pretty sure it's either fake or very obscure.

So with that out of the way, is Build 10537 Starter legit or fake? I would like to know since I'm wondering.

Thanks!

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The "Windows 8 Starter" branding looks super fake, other SKUs of the same build identify as Windows 10. Also, it uses the Windows 8.0 default wallpaper, which seems strange considering when this build claims to be from.
Either way, it looks interesting. I'll update once I've got it installed.
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It looks like a lite version of Windows 10, but I can't say the same to Windows 10 15025. Also if I remember correctly that the Starter SKU also has a KMS key and I think I tried to the key. But it didn't seem to be any different from the Home SKU.
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As far as I know, the Starter SKU was used internally as a base for other editions, but otherwise I don't think any Starter builds exist.

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I suspect that this is a Microsoft Confidential SKU.
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anonymous74 wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:02 am
The "Windows 8 Starter" branding looks super fake, other SKUs of the same build identify as Windows 10. Also, it uses the Windows 8.0 default wallpaper, which seems strange considering when this build claims to be from.
Either way, it looks interesting. I'll update once I've got it installed.
well, windows 8 starter is real, for proof check the mui files
Image

screenshot isnt mine

10537 is an unstaged build, meaning it contains all skus used during windows development, this includes starter

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Windows Thunderstruck wrote:
Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:47 pm
anonymous74 wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:02 am
The "Windows 8 Starter" branding looks super fake, other SKUs of the same build identify as Windows 10. Also, it uses the Windows 8.0 default wallpaper, which seems strange considering when this build claims to be from.
Either way, it looks interesting. I'll update once I've got it installed.
well, windows 8 starter is real, for proof check the mui files
Image

screenshot isnt mine

10537 is an unstaged build, meaning it contains all skus used during windows development, this includes starter
WOW! :OD
We just leaked an undocumented Windows 8 SKU!
I can upload it to the FTP if you want to.
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Whistler2419 wrote:
Wed Jan 05, 2022 7:48 am
Windows Thunderstruck wrote:
Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:47 pm
anonymous74 wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:02 am
The "Windows 8 Starter" branding looks super fake, other SKUs of the same build identify as Windows 10. Also, it uses the Windows 8.0 default wallpaper, which seems strange considering when this build claims to be from.
Either way, it looks interesting. I'll update once I've got it installed.
well, windows 8 starter is real, for proof check the mui files
Image

screenshot isnt mine

10537 is an unstaged build, meaning it contains all skus used during windows development, this includes starter
WOW! :OD
We just leaked an undocumented Windows 8 SKU!
I can upload it to the FTP if you want to.
I hope that it is will not be fake build, as fake builds is not allowed on FTP, and also we don't want fake builds, so... make sure that it is not fake build.
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SONBTV wrote:
Wed Jan 05, 2022 10:34 am
Whistler2419 wrote:
Wed Jan 05, 2022 7:48 am
Windows Thunderstruck wrote:
Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:47 pm
anonymous74 wrote:
Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:02 am
The "Windows 8 Starter" branding looks super fake, other SKUs of the same build identify as Windows 10. Also, it uses the Windows 8.0 default wallpaper, which seems strange considering when this build claims to be from.
Either way, it looks interesting. I'll update once I've got it installed.
well, windows 8 starter is real, for proof check the mui files
Image

screenshot isnt mine

10537 is an unstaged build, meaning it contains all skus used during windows development, this includes starter
WOW! :OD
We just leaked an undocumented Windows 8 SKU!
I can upload it to the FTP if you want to.
I hope that it is will not be fake build, as fake builds is not allowed on FTP, and also we don't want fake builds, so... make sure that it is not fake build.
If Windows 8 Starter is real, then is Windows 10 Starter real?
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I finally got the download to finish, and VMware wouldn't have anything to do with it. It showed the "press any key to boot", I'd press a key, and then it would throw me straight into network boot. I tried again with BIOS instead of UEFI and it gave a BSoD with error code 0xc0000605. Oh well, I'll try some more things to get it running tomorrow.
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anonymous74 wrote:
Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:19 am
I finally got the download to finish, and VMware wouldn't have anything to do with it. It showed the "press any key to boot", I'd press a key, and then it would throw me straight into network boot. I tried again with BIOS instead of UEFI and it gave a BSoD with error code 0xc0000605. Oh well, I'll try some more things to get it running tomorrow.
Try to change BIOS date, as it is common for flightsigned builds
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SONBTV wrote:
Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:59 am
anonymous74 wrote:
Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:19 am
I finally got the download to finish, and VMware wouldn't have anything to do with it. It showed the "press any key to boot", I'd press a key, and then it would throw me straight into network boot. I tried again with BIOS instead of UEFI and it gave a BSoD with error code 0xc0000605. Oh well, I'll try some more things to get it running tomorrow.
Try to change BIOS date, as it is common for flightsigned builds
Thanks, that worked! I've got the build installed. I dug around a bit and found that files have a matching build number, although that doesn't tell us much because the build itself is real. It does definitely identify as Windows 8 though, winver banner and all! It doesn't mean the SKU hasn't been modified, but a quick check hasn't revealed anything. Very strange.
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anonymous74 wrote:
Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:41 pm
SONBTV wrote:
Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:59 am
anonymous74 wrote:
Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:19 am
I finally got the download to finish, and VMware wouldn't have anything to do with it. It showed the "press any key to boot", I'd press a key, and then it would throw me straight into network boot. I tried again with BIOS instead of UEFI and it gave a BSoD with error code 0xc0000605. Oh well, I'll try some more things to get it running tomorrow.
Try to change BIOS date, as it is common for flightsigned builds
Thanks, that worked! I've got the build installed. I dug around a bit and found that files have a matching build number, although that doesn't tell us much because the build itself is real. It does definitely identify as Windows 8 though, winver banner and all! It doesn't mean the SKU hasn't been modified, but a quick check hasn't revealed anything. Very strange.
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anonymous74 wrote:
Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:41 pm
SONBTV wrote:
Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:59 am
anonymous74 wrote:
Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:19 am
I finally got the download to finish, and VMware wouldn't have anything to do with it. It showed the "press any key to boot", I'd press a key, and then it would throw me straight into network boot. I tried again with BIOS instead of UEFI and it gave a BSoD with error code 0xc0000605. Oh well, I'll try some more things to get it running tomorrow.
Try to change BIOS date, as it is common for flightsigned builds
Thanks, that worked! I've got the build installed. I dug around a bit and found that files have a matching build number, although that doesn't tell us much because the build itself is real. It does definitely identify as Windows 8 though, winver banner and all! It doesn't mean the SKU hasn't been modified, but a quick check hasn't revealed anything. Very strange.
BTW does it have the same restrictions as Windows 7 Starter?
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The videos are different versions, one is 1607 but the other one is 2004.
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Whistler2419 wrote:
Fri Jan 07, 2022 8:52 am
Yayyyyyyy! This means it's real! Put the ISO on Google Drive so anybody can download.
It's already on archive.org, just get it from there. As I said before, it could be a modified copy of that build (which was already available), that had been changed to have starter branding.
BTW does it have the same restrictions as Windows 7 Starter?
It doesn't appear to be any different from any other Windows 10 install. All the apps are there, and the only real changes seem to be the Windows 8 branding and wallpaper. (which is very suspicious in my opinion, I would understand having 8.1 branding, but all of this is 8.0, while being a windows 10 build. Very confusing.)

It's worth noting that the login screen has the default Windows 10 wallpaper that you would expect in other SKUs, it's only the desktop wallpaper that's been changed. It also has a copyright date of 2012, which is strange.

Here are some screenshots:

winver:
Image

Start menu:
Image

Start Menu Programs:
Image

Wallpaper folder:
Image
There's only one wallpaper present, and it's the 8.0 default. No Windows 10 wallpapers are even there at all.
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ActivateYourTech wrote:
Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:17 pm
The videos are different versions, one is 1607 but the other one is 2004.
This is actually Build 15025, a Creators Update (v1703) Build

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But the videos have the Windows 10 wallpapers. In the videos, the winver was also different. They had Windows 10 branding (1607 and 10537). Also that copyright date in winver? The NT version is 10.0 though.
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This is a VERY confusing build...
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What an interesting build!
By the way, what's the full build string of this build? Maybe it's compiled by another lab rather than th2_release.
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Builds 10537 and 10540 have all SKUs in WinSxS, including Starter. Here's the screenshot of my botched attempt at making 10537 unstaged (no, unfortunately it does not install).
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Although the ISO that OP posted is modified, it is indeed real, despite having Windows 8 branding (10537 Starter indeed identifies itself as Windows 10 Starter and not Windows 8 Starter).
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Applegame12345 wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:29 am
Builds 10537 and 10540 have all SKUs in WinSxS, including Starter. Here's the screenshot of my botched attempt at making 10537 unstaged (no, unfortunately it does not install).
Image
Although the ISO that OP posted is modified, it is indeed real, despite having Windows 8 branding (10537 Starter indeed identifies itself as Windows 10 Starter and not Windows 8 Starter).
Image
"Windows Longhorn Client\..."
Very ironic. It's not Vista.
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Whistler2419 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:43 pm
Applegame12345 wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:29 am
Builds 10537 and 10540 have all SKUs in WinSxS, including Starter. Here's the screenshot of my botched attempt at making 10537 unstaged (no, unfortunately it does not install).
Image
Although the ISO that OP posted is modified, it is indeed real, despite having Windows 8 branding (10537 Starter indeed identifies itself as Windows 10 Starter and not Windows 8 Starter).
Image
"Windows Longhorn Client\..."
Very ironic. It's not Vista.
That's strange seeing references to Vista's codename during Windows 10 setup :?
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