Nvidia vs Windows Threshold

[DragonWars]

I tried running the latest and the oldest Nvidia Quadro driver installer on windows 9834 and it does the same thing: screen flickers, taskbar turns black then screen turns black and i can see only the cursor (that flickers).
I tried to add my videocard as Legacy Hardware and i got this error:

Someone had the same issue, but he found a way to install the driver(?)

I tried to copy the driver folder from windows 8.1/system32/driverstore and /drivers but nothing happens.
Does anyone know how can I install the driver?

[yourepicfailure]

Do you have two graphics adapters? During my experiments with this build on an egpu setup, using even an old 8400GS still caused the problem. But with only one graphics adapter, it worked with some cards.
Namely, the only adapter I've gotten to work so far was the Intel HD 4000. I've got a Radeon HD 2400 XT, also quite old, I'm trying out. I expect it not to work either.

I've found this glitchiness something to do with wddm and dwm changes. It didn't occur in 9841.


As for copying driverstore and drivers, it won't do if you didn't install the driver first(in 8.1). Then, you still have to point the driver install wizard to somewhere in driverstore/filerepository.

EDIT:
Welp, after some flickering,


Used the Windows 7 x64 driver. If I had a newer radeon I'd like to try it. But I don't. So my suspicions are gearing towards the nvidia drivers being a big factor.

[DragonWars]

I have a laptop (hp zbook 15 g3- workstation) that has both intel hd video and nvidia, but the intel hd is disabled from the bios (windows cant see it, it relies on nvidia). as for the system files, I dual boot Windows 8.1 with all drivers installed and 9834 atm, so i can copy anything thats needed anytime.

[yourepicfailure]

Look above with my edit. Seems like nvidia is being the big culprit. Even with the hd and the radeon running, it works.

In case anyone needs to know, this is a lenovo x230T with i7-3520m.

[DragonWars]

would it be enough to copy the nvidia folders from /drivers and /driverstore then try to update basic adapter by poiting it to them?

[yourepicfailure]

Don't copy the /drivers folder. Just the driverstore. Then again, that would be equivalent to pointing the wizard to where the nvidia installer extracts its files.
So copying the driverstore is redundant if you have the installer.

Even then, if the drivers are the culprit it still won't do a thing.

[DragonWars]

i asked because the highlighted phrase

the only thing that comes in my head right now is trying to update from 8.1 with everything installed to 9834 (with upgrade function of setup) but if it fails, i get no stable os remaining

[yourepicfailure]

Create a pe with a flash drive with windows setup and gimagex on it so you can reimage if it goes wrong. Better yet, sysprep 8.1 and clone the install to a separate partition and play with that.
Never leave yourself without options when you go experimenting. Unless you have a spare 8.1 setup lying around and don't care about what's installed in 8.1.

Whatever floats your boat. Just remember, there's a reason the others gave up on this build.

[DragonWars]

thanks for motivating, however even if its a success, i still need 8.1 for visual studio (which throws errors in 9834) and apps made in vs 2017 (same case), i would use 9834 for web browsing and playing some games.
however, i can try to install win8.1 in the partition i use for 9834, install drivers then upgrade to it. though, the partition has only 31gb, i dont know if thats enough

[yourepicfailure]

More than enough. I'd say if you want to have fun, go for it.
Good idea is to disable the metro bootloader so you can at least go to safe mode quickly and uninstall the driver if windows won't boot up.

[DragonWars]

if it doesnt work like this, i will delete the partition and stick with 8.1

[DragonWars]

welp



atleast i tried..

[yourepicfailure]

Were there any logs that say why it failed?

Probably, this is a sign: not worth the trouble.

[DragonWars]

you're right, the only remaning way to do it would be to integrate nvidia drivers in the iso if thats even possible

[yourepicfailure]

you're right, the only remaning way to do it would be to integrate nvidia drivers in the iso if thats even possible

Everything's possible. With that, you could mount the install.wim index 1, copy the correct files to the image. Then mount its hives and copy the appropriate keys.
However, nvidia has numerous keys spread throughout the registry so you'd need the driver infs for an idea. Some would also say use the $oem thing, could work too.

Even then, you may have just spent 30 minutes trying, only to find it not to work either.

My advice for anyone trying to run 9834 on a real machine, you will need at least an intel hd graphics made before 2014. Reason is that intel incorporated wddm 2.0 into their newer drivers for 10 era devices, and 90% of system checks identify as windows 10. 9834 is not truly windows 10 per say, and is not compatible with wddm 2.0.
Or an amd/ati graphics adapter (had success with these, don't know about their newer cards). Nvidia is flat-out incompatible and will not work at all. This unfortunately limits 9834 to a vm for most.

[DragonWars]

Disabling DWM during setup and then disabling it again(at restart) (it crashed for me because i tried to use 8.1's dwm) will make 9834 run nvidia drivers (even nvidia control panel works)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... UNNING.png

[gtgamer468]

I was able to install 8.1 then upgrade to build 9834, but it keeps getting stuck in the setup process. My computer has a GeForce GTX 1060 notebook version.

[yourepicfailure]

Disabling DWM during setup and then disabling it again(at restart) (it crashed for me because i tried to use 8.1's dwm) will make 9834 run nvidia drivers (even nvidia control panel works)

Classic shell in use to replace start menu, set to start screen, to eliminate possibility of unusable screen portions

Yeah, following the common "windows 8 without DWM" guides work. Using a filler dwm.exe(without it, you get black screen) and a few tweaks to limit the components that use dwm ("open with" dialog for one) made the system much more usable. Too bad this build doesn't have the console login option windows 10 has.
Anyhow it looks like the problem lies when starting DWM with the nvidia driver. Windows yields the same black screen as starting the build with DWM.exe missing, so I think the system breaks itself if DWM is not started properly (in the case of nvidia breaking dwm). Could probably be fixed somewhere, but it'll take some time, a lot of time (don't expect a miracle).
So for now, 9834 without DWM on Nvidia is the way to go.

EDIT: I have found a way.


However, even with dwm disabled on a modern graphics you receive a black screen. So, WDDM 2.0 is causing further complications.

[DragonWars]

EDIT: I have found a way.


However, even with dwm disabled on a modern graphics you receive a black screen. So, WDDM 2.0 is causing further complications.

impressing, but what do you mean with "even with dwm disabled you receive a black screen"? as long as dwm doesnt start the os works fine for me
also, how did you do it?

[yourepicfailure]

The screen is black, similar to with DWM enabled. This occured with a GTX 1060 + Intel HD 530.

Either way, I managed to install the drivers through the use of safe mode and and tightvnc. Here were the results:
Intel HD 530 does not work. I can tightvnc into the computer, but only a black screen with a cursor will display on the machine itself. The system set to display only on the 1060 works without DWM.
Black screen without cursor when re enabling DWM. HD 530 didn't detect a display, so only the 1060 worked for an external. And the 1060 black screened when starting DWM anyways.
Blue screens when re enabling DWM and enabling the 1060(to switch graphics output devices, part of the working method with the other laptop), with the generic VGA driver for the intel HD 530 to serve as the initial device to switch from. The blue screens were: DRIVER_IRQ_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL and MEMORY_MANAGEMENT. They followed flickers of image on the display.

So no matter what, a modern graphics card will not work with DWM in this build. And getting them to work without DWM, well that rests with finding the perfect driver.

[DragonWars]

So no matter what, a modern graphics card will not work with DWM in this build. And getting them to work without DWM, well that rests with finding the perfect driver.

well, disabling dwm breaks the start menu, so you lose the only new feature of this build