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 PostPost subject: DOSBox on NT3.50, NT3.51, NT4 and 9x        Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 12:36 pm 
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I've been working on improving DOSBox host compatibility with 3.51, NT4 and 9x.

Previously DOSBox:
Used SDL 1.2.13 since SDL 1.2.14+ had issues with 9x. Now DOSBox uses SDL 1.2.15
SDL_net 1.2.8 broke compatibility with 95 and NT4 if IPHLPAPI was missing. Now this dll is not required (and allows SDL_net to work with NT 3.51)
DOSBox used to require Active Desktop so IE4 was required. Now this is no longer required.

I'm currently working on NT 3.50 support. Need to make some adjustments to SDL next.

Please provide feedback. Need people to test on various Operating Systems and hardware.


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 PostPost subject: Re: DOSBox on NT3.51, 9x and NT4        Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:39 pm 
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Okay, but why do we even need DOSBox on 9x, which are based on MS-DOS?

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 PostPost subject: Re: DOSBox on NT3.51, 9x and NT4        Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:56 pm 
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9x is not based in DOS. 9x is it's own OS.

The reasons for DOSBox on 9x are the same as any other OS. To play DOS games that don't work or don't work well without DOSBox.


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 PostPost subject: Re: DOSBox on NT3.51, 9x and NT4        Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 5:49 pm 
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DosFreak wrote:
9x is not based in DOS. 9x is it's own OS.

The reasons for DOSBox on 9x are the same as any other OS. To play DOS games that don't work or don't work well without DOSBox.


Erm. 9x uses DOS as a foundation.


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 PostPost subject: Re: DOSBox on NT3.51, 9x and NT4        Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 7:24 pm 
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Erm. 9x uses DOS as a foundation.

You are getting it all wrong. 9x runs at the top of DOS, but it's a different OS, as it's not the same running a Windows app rather than a DOS app. If you don't believe it, try running Word for Windows in DOS *hehe* ...

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 PostPost subject: Re: DOSBox on NT3.51, 9x and NT4        Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 7:28 pm 
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That's exactly what he said.

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 PostPost subject: Re: DOSBox on NT3.51, 9x and NT4        Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 8:30 pm 
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oscareczek wrote:
That's exactly what he said.

Please don't start a nonsense discussion. I've said that because Windows Thunderstruck had not clear the point of DOSBox in 9x. But now I think he has it clear

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 PostPost subject: Re: DOSBox on NT3.51, 9x and NT4        Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 12:55 am 
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Well, I think these ports are very cool. Thanks for all the work making DOSBox work under Windows 95 again! There are times when having an emulator running inside Windows 9x is quite handy. Even though Win9x can handle most DOS applications natively, many poorly behaved DOS programs can hose things up. DOSBox keeps things nice and contained. (All while doing whatever it is, such as using no longer supported hardware, that would make one need Windows 9x in the first place.)


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 PostPost subject: Re: DOSBox on NT3.51, 9x and NT4        Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 12:24 pm 
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NT 3.50 support pretty much figured out. Check the thread for the binary. Just need to integrate procedure into guide.


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 PostPost subject: Re: DOSBox on NT3.50, NT3.51, NT4 and 9x        Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 7:05 am 
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DosFreak wrote:
https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=55706&p=671384#p609435
https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=60096

I've been working on improving DOSBox host compatibility with 3.51, NT4 and 9x.

Previously DOSBox:
Used SDL 1.2.13 since SDL 1.2.14+ had issues with 9x. Now DOSBox uses SDL 1.2.15
SDL_net 1.2.8 broke compatibility with 95 and NT4 if IPHLPAPI was missing. Now this dll is not required (and allows SDL_net to work with NT 3.51)
DOSBox used to require Active Desktop so IE4 was required. Now this is no longer required.

I'm currently working on NT 3.50 support. Need to make some adjustments to SDL next.

Please provide feedback. Need people to test on various Operating Systems and hardware.

I only see a point in having it on an NT system that has poor DOS support. As of Windows 9x this would only be useful on Windows ME since it lacks the feature of booting in command prompt only.

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 PostPost subject: Re: DOSBox on NT3.50, NT3.51, NT4 and 9x        Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 12:54 pm 
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 PostPost subject: Re: DOSBox on NT3.50, NT3.51, NT4 and 9x        Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 4:35 pm 
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I only see a point in having it on an NT system that has poor DOS support. As of Windows 9x this would only be useful on Windows ME since it lacks the feature of booting in command prompt only.

Maybe you don't see it as useful, and I understand, I don't use DOSBox since I don't use any DOS apps, but there is people that does, and as you said, "having it on an NT system that has poor DOS support", that's self-explanatory, you'd get better DOS support. As for Win9x, the DOS compatibility is great, but not perfect, so there are apps that won't run correctly, or that run better on real hardware.

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 PostPost subject: Re: DOSBox on NT3.50, NT3.51, NT4 and 9x        Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 1:28 pm 
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DOSBox can install Windows 95, but it takes a long time to do so;
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The best graphics card is S3 for Windows 95 and DOSBox. You can install S3 for 256-colors.

I don't know DOSBox is can runs the Windows NT. But there are helpful videos to install them.

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 PostPost subject: Re: DOSBox on NT3.50, NT3.51, NT4 and 9x        Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 5:10 pm 
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9x and NT are unsupported as a guest but are supported as a host that's what this thread is about.....


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 PostPost subject: Re: DOSBox on NT3.50, NT3.51, NT4 and 9x        Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 6:50 pm 
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I think Windows NT is useless in DOSBOX

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 PostPost subject: Re: DOSBox on NT3.50, NT3.51, NT4 and 9x        Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 5:00 am 
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I think Windows NT is useless in DOSBOX

I think you mean the opposite, as Windows NT cannot be installed in DOSBox but could be the host.

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 PostPost subject: Re: DOSBox on NT3.50, NT3.51, NT4 and 9x        Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 4:36 pm 
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No no no, DOSBox with Windows NT as the host can be useful because the poor DOS subsystem it has. But using Windows NT (3.1,3.5 and 3.51) isn't a great thing, as they had few applications and they are useless for today stuff, as for the use in its time, it was mainly as server, data center and workstation, with the last being for use in office computers with some Office Program. So they were useful in their days, but no more

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