User talk:AlphaBeta

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Hi dragondemonlord :)

Recent edits

I have questions about your recent changes made to the Windows Visual Styles, and Windows Classic articles.

• Technically speaking, Windows Aero is not included in Windows 8. Aero, as defined by Microsoft, "features a translucent glass design with subtle window animations and new window colors."

• Although using Windows Classic does offer performance benefits, why didn't you just add to what was written instead of deleting it?

(Maza (talk) 02:59, 8 June 2013 (GMT))

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• Aero is in Windows 8. But not in the exact form we know it from earlier Windows versions. It has been redesigned to better fit Metro. Yes, the glass is gone, but that's because Microsoft wanted to remove it, but transparency is still in the taskbar. Window animations aren't in any way related to Aero, they're rendered by DWM. And, window colors? This is still in Windows 8.

• They kept Windows Classic for the Server family up to Server 2008 R2 as the default theme because of speed and stability. Not because of familiarity...

--AlphaBeta (talk) 07:07, 8 June 2013 (GMT)

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• I mentioned the window animations and colors because they are part of the Windows Aero article. My question for you, is, should a visually distinct third-party theme (for example) be classified as Windows Aero, simply because it is rendered by the Desktop Window Manager? If not, why should a first-party theme be? Directing your attention to the Creating the Windows 8 user experience article, which states the following: "In the end, we decided to bring the desktop closer to the Metro aesthetic, while preserving the compatibility afforded by not changing the size of window chrome, controls, or system UI. We have moved beyond Aero Glass—flattening surfaces, removing reflections, and scaling back distracting gradients." and "Aero was designed to help the app’s content to be the center of attention, and for the Windows system UI to recede into the background. This is still relevant today, and while we are moving beyond Aero, we don’t want to lose sight of these goals." Clearly then, to Microsoft, Aero is defined by its characteristics such as translucency, reflections, complex textures, etc.

• Even if Windows Classic was set as the default theme for speed and stability, almost certainly, familiarity was a factor in that decision, as it gives the look and behavior of previous versions. At the time, weren't visual styles (such as Luna) fairly new to Windows?

(Maza (talk) 01:52, 9 June 2013 (GMT))

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• When you take a look from the user's side, then it's not Aero. But from the technical side, it is Aero. The theme is still called Aero.

Directory of C:\Windows\Resources\Themes

26. 07. 2012 08:49 <DIR> .

26. 07. 2012 08:49 <DIR> ..

29. 05. 2013 14:36 <DIR> aero

17. 06. 2012 17:32 1 868 aero.theme

17. 06. 2012 17:32 2 303 theme1.theme

17. 06. 2012 17:32 2 306 theme2.theme

Directory listing from a fresh Windows 8 install. Also, I only said about DWM that the window animations aren't related to Aero as they're managed by DWM.

• Feel free to add it to the article as I don't want to start another flamewar.

--AlphaBeta (talk) 18:44, 9 June 2013 (GMT)