I found a video including Info on Vista builds in early 2005 (before 5048)

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I found a video including Info on Vista builds in early 2005 (before 5048)

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This video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsq_YYpS-fw) shows an early build of Longhorn, I would assume this to maybe be the 5019 build but I'm not sure. What do you guys think?? :beta:
weird enough it still includes the Jade theme from pre-reset and to be honest it could be a pre reset build.

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Re: I found a video including Info on Vista builds in early 2005 (before 5048)

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That's not a real build, it's an interactive concept/demo.

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it may not be real but it looks like the 5033 the reflextia described in this post --> http://web.archive.org/web/200504042143 ... s.info:80/

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ReflectiaX just said this:
Aside from that, a little tidbit for those of you collecting build numbers, the latest WDF's file version is as follows: 6.0.5033.0 (winmain.050119-2030)
He didn't describe 5033, he just shared a build string. Then, he shared a picture of the interactive demo from WinHEC 2004 with the cherry blossom wallpaper, the same one that you saw in the video you linked before.

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The demo also looks like a pre-reset build, not post-reset.
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anonymous74 wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:24 am
The demo also looks like a pre-reset build, not post-reset.
Maybe they were bringing back some pre-reset features at the time?
I could see some files from 5048 that are from pre-reset 4093

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The demo is from early October 2004 (at least according to an old article I found), which was about a month after development was reset, but the demo looks near identical to pre-reset. It isn't a build either way, plenty of longhorn demos exist showing crazy stuff that never made it into builds because it wasn't really possible at the time.
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it was possible
they just didn't had enough man-power, organisation, and time to do it...
all the things in concepts should have been in OS after LH anyway...

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Windows2005 wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:30 am
anonymous74 wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:24 am
The demo also looks like a pre-reset build, not post-reset.
Maybe they were bringing back some pre-reset features at the time?
I could see some files from 5048 that are from pre-reset 4093
They were surely doing that, but you can see what 5048 looks like and it sounds hardly credible that 5033 would look like the demo in that build.
That demo build resembles 4074 and the other late pre-reset builds

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Valerio wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:31 pm
Windows2005 wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:30 am
anonymous74 wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:24 am
The demo also looks like a pre-reset build, not post-reset.
Maybe they were bringing back some pre-reset features at the time?
I could see some files from 5048 that are from pre-reset 4093
They were surely doing that, but you can see what 5048 looks like and it sounds hardly credible that 5033 would look like the demo in that build.
That demo build resembles 4074 and the other late pre-reset builds
It could be a pre-reset but remember, this was in october.
It could be 6.0.4093.Lab02_N.041002-1235 https://betawiki.net/wiki/Windows_Longh ... _(Lab02_N)
Unverified sources state that development was not reset and they actually created a duplicate (3790/5000) and eventually scrapped 4XXX because 5XXX was having fewer issues.
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I wonder what pre-reset would look like if it was released to the public... Would it include all the 3d icon things and Avalon and all that?

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What makes you still believe it could be a real build? When you look at it closely, it literally looks nothing like the real Longhorn builds we have. Sidebar tiles don't look like that, the Aero theme doesn't look like that, the Sticky Notes app doesn't look like that, the e-mail app doesn't look like that, the screen saver does not say "Windows XP Professional", notifications don't look like that and you can also notice how there is no Recycle Bin icon in the mockup/demo as well as a weird mixture of Slate (check again the Sidebar flyouts) and Aero resources which is unknown to anything we've seen before. And it would be absolutely unrealistic for them to have hidden all of this stuff from regular builds, just for the sake of this demonstration. To answer your offtopic question, Microsoft showed what the real Longhorn was supposed to look like at PDC 2003, although the Longhorn UI kept on evolving pretty quickly.

Plus, just have a look at this for more proof that this is just a mockup, notice the Slate taskbar and sidebar here as well as some weird looking icons and buttons: https://www.betaarchive.com/imageupload ... .28745.jpg

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Valerio wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:44 pm
What makes you still believe it could be a real build? When you look at it closely, it literally looks nothing like the real Longhorn builds we have. Sidebar tiles don't look like that, the Aero theme doesn't look like that, the Sticky Notes app doesn't look like that, the e-mail app doesn't look like that, the screen saver does not say "Windows XP Professional", notifications don't look like that and you can also notice how there is no Recycle Bin icon in the mockup/demo as well as a weird mixture of Slate (check again the Sidebar flyouts) and Aero resources which is unknown to anything we've seen before. And it would be absolutely unrealistic for them to have hidden all of this stuff from regular builds, just for the sake of this demonstration. To answer your offtopic question, Microsoft showed what the real Longhorn was supposed to look like at PDC 2003, although the Longhorn UI kept on evolving pretty quickly.

Plus, just have a look at this for more proof that this is just a mockup, notice the Slate taskbar and sidebar here as well as some weird looking icons and buttons: https://www.betaarchive.com/imageupload ... .28745.jpg
I guess it is just a concept

I wonder what the first cherry tree wallpaper was/is this the first?

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easiest way you could spot, is that guy just talks and doesn't do anything real-time

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dixieLH wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:42 pm
easiest way you could spot, is that guy just talks and doesn't do anything real-time
That is true. But it could also be pre-recorded

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nobody does that for masses ...

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dixieLH wrote:
Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:05 am
nobody does that for masses ...
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ffs grow up

this is infront of thousands of people not some shitty tv ad

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