[Request] The Child3 Unreal Beta/more

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LEOTCK
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[Request] The Child3 Unreal Beta/more

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I know this will be probably useless but I might as well try it to gather more attention.

There was once a leak of Unreal supposedly a 1996 version, on geocities, still seen on archived sites like
http://geocities.ws/mhouy/warez.htm

Except that unreal beta was hosted offsite and I did my research and found out who one of the uploaders was, but I couldn't reach him, all his colleagues had last contact more than 10 years ago. So I couldn't get it from him.

Then there is the case of the child3 beta, suddenly a mysterious track called child3 popped up on youtube and somewhere else among unreal tracks as part of some complete unreal music. This beta or even iso was floating around on some russian forums that no longer exist or so I've heard. It might be that the '96' version and this beta are one and the same and that some accounts of people are just plain wrong but we don't know....

So this is my request. If someone doesn't want to share this in public, I do have some items to offer for exchange. I have been after this beta already since 2012 or so. It's also probably the only thing that can help opening the circle map by Ty Halderman (died in 2015 before I knew of his involvement so I didn't contact him).

It is necessary to have this in order to rescue/restore this content.

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Re: [Request] The Child3 Unreal Beta/more

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It's possible that the track is from a lost 1996 build of Unreal, but is there evidence that it was? The tracker file itself is called 'child3.s3m' and it's been present on the Mod Archive site at least 2005, so it's not like the uploader of that video was the first to have this song anyway. I also found this file on another site, with a number of other Alexander Brandon tracks seemingly not composed for Unreal.

(Also sorry if this doesn't belong here, mods/admins)

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Re: [Request] The Child3 Unreal Beta/more

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There kind of is, it appears independantly on another site putting it within Unreal songs as I said.
Don't have the link right now but I saw it. It did appear on mod archive but in 2003 uploaded by someone who might have had it from that beta of Unreal. I myself didn't see it outside of that context so far.
There is "child2" as part of some larger thing but not child3, unless we saw different stuff. I didn't see child3 being part of any of those, so if you really saw child3 and not child2 please try to link that.

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Re: [Request] The Child3 Unreal Beta/more

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Bump!

It appears that according to a filelist of certain Warez CDs,

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MAG VOLUME 43 contains :
........UNREAL DEMO.........

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CLATCH 26 - GAME`S for '97 contains :
UNREAL BETA NETWORK GAME
If anyone has those or the two CDs, lend me (or Leo) a PM, doesn't have to be the whole ISO, just the files containing those lost Unreal builds or other Unreal historical content.
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Re: [Request] The Child3 Unreal Beta/more

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Those two discs aren't available online (yet) as far as I can tell, and without filenames, it's hard to find the specific release you're looking for. There's tons of stuff named "Unreal Demo" and "Unreal Beta" in warez, most of what I checked is already leaked stuff.
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Re: [Request] The Child3 Unreal Beta/more

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None of them are simply called "Unreal Demo" and "Unreal Beta Network Game" specificaly other than those specific ones. They all had unique names just like Unreal Editor!/Unreal Beta was ror-uned but just like with that I didn't know about the original filename when I searched for those years ago. And given that it says network game it might be a full ECTS build or something like that, it's really worth checking it, even though we got most of the ECTS maps from the september 1997 demo. Or it is the version that was showcased on LAN with Mark Rein. Who knows what it is. Fact is there are at least two confirmed different versions than what was leaked/re-leaked and one of them might be this.

EDIT: Of course there is also the Unreal demo from future crew but that is not a game and given that these cds were meant for games it is likely is not the FC Unreal, and definitely the "Network Game" is something we never heard of before.

Because I remember people shrugging off real stuff before and honestly, the only alpha thing that's been repacked like three or four times was the unreal levels preview aka toxikbrain beta aka unreal tech demo (but never called as such in the warez circles), aka PROGRAM unreal beta.

But those repacks always came in four-part zips unless it was taken from a site. So that particular version is easy to spot.

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This guy on archive.org has lots of from these so called warez cd-s, check on him here:
https://archive.org/details/@pascal_of_irate

He even has some Mag discs and Fate. Maybe he has more which arent up yet.
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Yes but he hasn't the ones we seek. He has a lot more other ones but there's no telling if they have Unreal stuff and when/if he gets around to sorting those out as far as I know.

So with this only time will tell. In the meantime if anyone else would appear like that that would be great. Most people who had the warez cds of certain series never had the entire collection.

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Okay it is now 99 percent sure that the Child3 Beta and the old 1996 beta of Unreal are one and the same thing.

I was looking at profiles of the guy who uploaded independantly from warmoddities91 the unreal soundtracks etc back in 2016 already and found out that it is indeed the same guy (by his other nickname) that was given the 1996 beta by a person who has held onto it from at least 2011. She gave him the responsibility to release his beta, and it seems he did so on some russian forum, out of the sight of everyone else. This is the same person I am sure of it now.

WarmOddities was most likely confused about the umx file and extracting since he possibly did that with other files and forgot about this or crash(that's the nickname) provided also a umx conversion because he planned to do some porting of the content to Unreal. So it's all coming together. But it really feels like those people deliberately hid it from me so I wouldn't get my hands on it.

Well, this is the real state of the community. The original person was scared away by them, she gave it to crash and now this crash was last seen 4 months ago by the time I get to find everything out and we can only hope that he can pop up again...

I'm really upset by this, also it didn't help that a lot of people kept telling me that the original person is a liar, well she claimed she got it from geocities originally and as bryan found later she didn't lie, even though it wasn't hosted on geocities....
EDIT: It's really strange that around the same time as it was released on the "now gone" russian forum, the fake beta appeared instead and stole the attention. Not at the same time, but within the same year or two anyway.

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Re: [Request] The Child3 Unreal Beta/more

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This is embarassing, so apparently that 1 percent chance has come true. Those are different persons in the end and it's not 1996 beta the "child3" one... *facepalms*

Also it might be that the child3 beta is actually the UNREAL BETA NETWORK GAME one. Time will tell.
EDIT: He doesn't have it anymore, if he ever had it because he found only extracted unreal music directory from someone else and it all has 2014 date stamps on it. So he didn't upload it, that was only if he was the same crash but I'm gonna presume he wasn't the same crash and that it's just a coincidence.

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