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 PostPost subject: OS/2 Museum is offline...        Posted: Sun May 06, 2018 11:38 pm 
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I have noticed over the past day or so that OS/2 Museum seems to be offline. This time it doesn't appear to be having server trouble - it rather appears that Michal Necasek (MichalN) decided that he didn't want to run the site anymore and to simply delete it.

You can see what I mean if you try going to the link below:
http://www.os2museum.com

I certainly hope that this is not the case, but unfortunately I have seen plenty of cases where people simply deleted their entire websites once they decided that they didn't want to run them anymore and that they would simply give up altogether.

Does anyone know what is going on with that website? I tried contacting one former user of that website, Darkstar, but unfortunately I never received a response.

This was one of my favorite websites to visit, and it would simply be a terrible shame to see it simply disappear (assuming that I was correct in that the user decided to stop running it and to take it offline for good).

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 PostPost subject: Re: OS/2 Museum is offline...        Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 6:09 am 
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If it's really deleted and gone then it's very sad. A while ago I tried to broker a deal with the site owner to preserve all the OS/2 releases he was in possession of but he was not at all interested to archive any of the stuff. Hopefully some info and binaries survived somewhere...

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 PostPost subject: Re: OS/2 Museum is offline...        Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 8:38 am 
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The thing I miss the most from that page is actually the VESA driver that's incredibly useful for running early NTs under VirtualBox. It wouldn't happen that anyone has that still archived somewhere, would it?


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I hope it comes back, was a cool site. I think that's also where we got Windows/386 2.01 from.

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The thing I miss the most from that page is actually the VESA driver that's incredibly useful for running early NTs under VirtualBox. It wouldn't happen that anyone has that still archived somewhere, would it?

Here's a snapshot of the article if you want the technical side: http://web.archive.org/web/201709221155 ... irtualbox/
PS: You can get the floppy disk from there as well, but at a slow speed.

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 PostPost subject: Re: OS/2 Museum is offline...        Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 12:55 pm 
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I hope that website comes back someday...
Otherwise, we won't be able to get the miniport graphics drivers for the early versions of Windows NT in VirtualBox anymore!


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 PostPost subject: Re: OS/2 Museum is offline...        Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 3:11 pm 
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I hope it comes back, was a cool site. I think that's also where we got Windows/386 2.01 from.


If I'm correct it was also on of the first to try NT 3.1 build 297. It's sad that its gone, because we lost many drivers and other useful material as a result. It should really be archived instead of deleted.

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UPDATE: I recently heard from louisw3 (neozeed) who has posted on that site in the past. Apparently, there were issues with the site host because of the amount of traffic, so they canceled his account completely.

I will continue posting in this topic as I receive more updates regarding the status of the OS/2 Museum site itself.

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 PostPost subject: Re: OS/2 Museum is offline...        Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 4:49 pm 
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This now shows us that MichalN didn't delete the website, but rather an unexpected account termination occurred. This sucks very badly now.

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 PostPost subject: Re: OS/2 Museum is offline...        Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 11:24 pm 
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Well, the site is back.
Now we can rejoice!


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 PostPost subject: Re: OS/2 Museum is offline...        Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 11:51 pm 
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In case of something similar let's make a backup of the site in the WayBack Machine (Just in case this happens again ;))

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 PostPost subject: Re: OS/2 Museum is offline...        Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 7:14 am 
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UPDATE: I recently heard from louisw3 (neozeed) who has posted on that site in the past. Apparently, there were issues with the site host because of the amount of traffic, so they canceled his account completely.

I will continue posting in this topic as I receive more updates regarding the status of the OS/2 Museum site itself.

aren't they use VPS?

shared hosting is no good on everything.

BTW they should use cloudflare to cut down traffics and DDoS attempts.


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 PostPost subject: Re: OS/2 Museum is offline...        Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 11:43 am 
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Michał described so many interesting interna, I'm really happy that he is online again. There are lots of webhosters who practically don't limit traffic. I can recommend a very fair one in Germany, who doesn't simply delete, and help to register, if Michał reads this and wants help.

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Nice that it's back anyway, it has a lot of interesting information. I hope the binaries are also shared one day so we can preserve all that too. I don't think IBM is paying much interest to old OS/2 releases anymore...

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shared hosting is no good on everything.


Everything goes down, everything has issues. There is always a human element that messes stuff up, and things just plain break.

In the 20+ years of doing things I can safely say that equipment in data centres fares much better than things at residential sites. And there is a clear difference between a few hundred visitors a day vs several thousand per hour. And it's far cheaper for average people to pool money together and share a machine. This is why AWS/Azure is so popular. Sometimes your time is too valuable to be playing 'patch boy' for hours on end. And sometimes things just fail for no apparent reason.

I've done it all, I've hosted servers in my house on a T1, I've rented space in colocation, I've been on VPS'es, I've rented servers in data centres, I've tried managed services, And I've tried going with containers. Every single one of them has failed at some point.

Every. Single. One.

There is no magic bullet.

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 PostPost subject: Re: OS/2 Museum is offline...        Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 12:13 pm 
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I don't think IBM is paying much interest to old OS/2 releases anymore...


They didn't pay much attention when it was current either. They just had some insane mission to prevent Microsoft from cutting into their mid-range turf, and how did that work out...

After seeing Pigskin & Football OS/2 beta's from 1987 it's pretty clear that Microsoft wasn't the one who screwed up OS/2, but rather it was IBM. Xenix 2.x for the 386, and Windows/386 were a thing in 1987, just as OS/2 with the ability to support v86 mode easily could have been a thing, but IBM had to make sure it was 286 only.

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