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 PostPost subject: Minimum requirements for Longhorn        Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:28 pm 
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I want to ask what are the minimal requirements for the Longhorn builds in certain ranges? Even though it is already a bad idea, I am trying to see if at least one other pre-reset build will run on PCem, since I got build 3718 to successfully run on it without being unstable (although a bit slow due to emulator lag and with no sound). All I know is that the 3xxx builds have the same minimum requirements as Windows XP (233Mhz processor and 128MB RAM), build 4053 requires a 500Mhz processor and 256MB RAM, and the post-reset builds will just straight up not run (since it requires ACPI which PCem cannot support).

This is not about using PCem on this, it is just wanting to know the minimum requirements of the builds in general since searching it up provides nothing helpful except "use the Vista RTM specs".

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 PostPost subject: Re: Minimum requirements for Longhorn        Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:07 pm 
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Use 86Box instead of PCem, downloadable here: http://ci.86box.net/job/86Box-Optimized/ , roms from here: http://tinyurl.com/rs20170915
This site has a lot of information about Longhorn req, but it's the recommended ones (just divide everything by 2 and it should be somewhere near minimal req) https://www.google.com/search?q=longhor ... s123nt.com

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 PostPost subject: Re: Minimum requirements for Longhorn        Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:03 am 
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Running Longhorn on 86Box or PCem is a very bad idea, because you're not going to get it running alright on a 100 MHz Pentium and anything faster will not run at full speed and therefore will be even slower.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Minimum requirements for Longhorn        Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:29 pm 
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Running Longhorn on 86Box or PCem is a very bad idea, because you're not going to get it running alright on a 100 MHz Pentium and anything faster will not run at full speed and therefore will be even slower.


I do notice the major lag (a flaw that is also present in 2000, Me, and XP), but I just want to experience if Longhorn will work on it at least. I know that there is Microsoft Virtual PC and VMWare that does better in virtualization of Longhorn builds.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Minimum requirements for Longhorn        Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:11 pm 
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vmware 5.5 is good for 3xxx range, even some in 4xxx like 4029
but you won't get all the nice things

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 PostPost subject: Re: Minimum requirements for Longhorn        Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:36 am 
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Apparently build 4042 works and installs properly, but it is extremely slow and the S3 VIRGE drivers aren't working after the 2nd stage of setup (yes the taskbar is there but is hidden and will only show notification bubbles and the Start Menu. The sidebar is also missing). I also found that it also has a different "Safe to Shutdown" screen, so this screen is the last existing "Safe to Shutdown" screen.

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So, in the end, I hit the deep end for PCem - 4042. I think higher is possible (Bob Pony got 4093 to get to the Preinstallation Environment but didn't manage to get past that), but 4093 is basically impossible unless you can leave the computer on for days. I'm now satisfied of the answer - it completely works on near-above-XP specs but in the end it will be slow. However, PCem still runs these builds pretty stable (I never had it crash on me besides myself terminating csrss.exe or winlogon.exe :P ), so it gets points for that. I am willing to see if anyone has managed to get anywhere higher than 4042 on PCem, but I highly doubt such thing will be an easy task.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Minimum requirements for Longhorn        Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:22 am 
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As I said before: try 86Box.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Minimum requirements for Longhorn        Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:25 pm 
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oscareczek wrote:
As I said before: try 86Box.


Still, it wouldn't catch up with the speed of the Virutal Machine and could be slow as what AlphaBeta said.

Also, I managed to get the sidebar and taskbar to load, although Explorer kept crashing. Also PCem hardlocked once when I tried to log in.

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The main lesson is once you hit Whistler for PCem, it will get slow, so Longhorn in the end will be a pain to install and run. Thus, you can run pre-reset Longhorn on an Windows XP PC with minimal stats, but don't expect it to last that long.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Minimum requirements for Longhorn        Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:05 pm 
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You don't understand. 86box is an improved version of PCem.

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