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 PostPost subject: Microsoft Chicago build 58s hangs at bootscreen        Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 12:37 am 
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Windows Chicago build 58s is just displaying a cursor after the bootscreen on virtualbox and VMware.
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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft Chicago build 58s hangs at bootscreen        Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 6:00 pm 
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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft Chicago build 58s hangs at bootscreen        Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 6:02 pm 
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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft Chicago build 58s hangs at bootscreen        Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 6:12 pm 
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Try using 86Box instead.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft Chicago build 58s hangs at bootscreen        Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 6:49 pm 
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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft Chicago build 58s hangs at bootscreen        Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 7:37 pm 
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You guys say you need to use 86-Box, don't use VBox or VMware. I installed 58s on both of those. So you probably did something wrong.
Can you explain what you did to install?

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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft Chicago build 58s hangs at bootscreen        Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 7:45 pm 
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- WindowsCollector2000: Or your host hardware might not be as modern as his. On more modern host CPU's, even Windows 3.1 has problems under virtualization, let alone something as unstable as Chicago 58s.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft Chicago build 58s hangs at bootscreen        Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 8:12 pm 
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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft Chicago build 58s hangs at bootscreen        Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 8:18 pm 
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WindowsCollecter2000, here is the explanation
1. I inserted the Windows 95 boot floppy.
2. I fdisked and formatted C:.
3. I went to the Chicago CD-ROM
4. I typed in dossetup
5. I set it up
6. I restarted computer and set Buffers=30 and Files=60 to Buffers=90 and Files=90.
7. I ran the operating system, which looked just fine, then it showed a flashing cursor.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft Chicago build 58s hangs at bootscreen        Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 11:41 pm 
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@DVINTHEHOUSEMAN - Huh, that would be the proper way. What would happen if you tried upgrading from 3.1?

@Battler - You may be right, as my desktop sucks, gamingwise. Anything that would require 86Box (Besides anything under 3.0) worked perfectly on VBox or VMware. Haven't tried it with my laptop yet since I'm still messing around with VPC, but I'll grab VBox and VMware soon.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft Chicago build 58s hangs at bootscreen        Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 2:34 am 
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I tried that already... I got the "Switch to Chicago" icon on 3.1, but when i tried to double click it it did nothing.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft Chicago build 58s hangs at bootscreen        Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 2:39 am 
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And btw 86box is VERY SLOW. When i typed in dossetup it sat and did nothing, even with 16 mb of ram, which works perfectly fine with vmware.

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Windows 3.1 Beta and Windows 95 Beta do work on VirtualBox. Windows Beta 95 Build 81, 99, 122, 180, 189 do work on VirtualBox. But Build 58s have KRNL386.EXE error on VirtualBox. Windows 95 Beta Build 58 can be work on VPC2007.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft Chicago build 58s hangs at bootscreen        Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 5:22 am 
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And your KRNL386 problem can be fixed with a tool I used back on my desktop called WDPSL/WNTPSL. It has a fix for the 58s KRNL386 error. All credit goes to gus33000 for WDPSL.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft Chicago build 58s hangs at bootscreen        Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 7:43 am 
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And btw 86box is VERY SLOW. When i typed in dossetup it sat and did nothing, even with 16 mb of ram, which works perfectly fine with vmware.

Yes. Because the original machines it emulates were slow as well. The purpose of emulators is to emulate all aspects of a machine, including its speed. 8-)

Of course, nobody prevents you from running Chicago on a modern i7 (which is what you basically do with VMware), but don't expect an operating system to fully cooperate with a machine that's 20 years newer than the OS itself.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft Chicago build 58s hangs at bootscreen        Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 12:44 am 
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And your KRNL386 problem can be fixed with a tool I used back on my desktop called WDPSL/WNTPSL. It has a fix for the 58s KRNL386 error. All credit goes to gus33000 for WDPSL.

"Write protection error reading drive A."
How do I get rid of this?

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Write protection error reading drive A.
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That's new. Did you turn on Write-Protection in your floppy settings?
In VMware, go to your VM settings, go to your floppy disk, and turn off Read-Only.
In VBox, it doesn't really say. I'll recommend VBox at the moment with WDPSL. Give that a try.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft Chicago build 58s hangs at bootscreen        Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 7:31 pm 
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I will say what i have said before...
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And btw 86box is VERY SLOW. When i typed in dossetup it sat and did nothing, even with 16 mb of ram, which works perfectly fine with vmware.

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I will say what i have said before...
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And btw 86box is VERY SLOW. When i typed in dossetup it sat and did nothing, even with 16 mb of ram, which works perfectly fine with vmware.


It's normal it is slow, what do you expect from an emulator rather than a virtualizer?

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I will say what i have said before...
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And btw 86box is VERY SLOW. When i typed in dossetup it sat and did nothing, even with 16 mb of ram, which works perfectly fine with vmware.

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Yes. Because the original machines it emulates were slow as well. The purpose of emulators is to emulate all aspects of a machine, including its speed. 8-)

Of course, nobody prevents you from running Chicago on a modern i7 (which is what you basically do with VMware), but don't expect an operating system to fully cooperate with a machine that's 20 years newer than the OS itself.

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- DVINTHEHOUSEMAN: What board and CPU did you emulate anyway?

Also, I suggest you to try a real period machine with the same specs you emulated, you'll find out it's just as slow.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft Chicago build 58s hangs at bootscreen        Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 5:36 am 
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Battler wrote:
- DVINTHEHOUSEMAN: What board and CPU did you emulate anyway?

Also, I suggest you to try a real period machine with the same specs you emulated, you'll find out it's just as slow.
My machine generally has acceptable speeds running 86box when emulating a CPU at 75 MHz or lower (as in, similar to that of a real machine), but whenever I set the 86box emulator to emulate anything faster than that, the sound and graphics start slowing down to the point where the sound even becomes unbearably choppy, and when emulating a CPU at 200 MHz or higher, the sound is so slow that it is virtually unusable in that regard. This happens with all emulated CPUs at such high speeds regardless of brand or generation, and even with the dynamic recompiler turned on at that. Possibly the original poster was experiencing something similar.

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