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WfW 3.11 beta2

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Hi,

I just found this (unleaked?) beta of Windows for Workgroups 3.11 in a dump of some old warez tapes.

I uploaded it to the FTP (it's not floppy images but rather 9 ZIP files with the contents of each floppy) and also provide it here for a few days if someone wants to try and install it or otherwise tinker with it
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Re: WfW 3.11 beta2

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Sounds awesome, let's install it (DOSBox, post'll be edited).
7-Zip says WFWSETUP.DL_ failed with CRC, downloaded twice.
In each zip there's file_id.diz:

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MS Workgroups V3.11 Beta2 for Windows [1/9]  
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   ────────────────────────────────────
       -= ELECTRONIC RATS 1993 =-
And there's ecr.nfo somewhere
Another added file: love.it:

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│                       Legends will never die...                           │
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└───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘
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So, I replace that file with version WfW 3.1 (you need to expand netapi.dll to system first, run setup /i)
I think I replaced GUI installer, so no screenshots.
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Re: WfW 3.11 beta2

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yeah, if it's broken there's nothing I can do since these files are all I have. So it'll probably not end up on the FTP but it was worth a try :)
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Re: WfW 3.11 beta2

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Hey, but I've managed to install it… I guess, setup isn't finished yet.
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IFSMGR.386 is broken, just replace it with 3.11.411 file (ios.386 is broken, too, but isn't essential for Windows booting). But finally, there it is:
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Re: WfW 3.11 beta2

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Even if wfwsetup.dll is transplanted from the older 3.11.411, it complains about a missing SCONFIG.DLL. This second error happens even after I copy the one from 3.11.411. Can any one help me on this?

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Re: WfW 3.11 beta2

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3.11.411 is newer. Use WfW 3.1 wfwsetup.dll, expand netapi.dll from beta to %windir%\system, run setup /i
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Re: WfW 3.11 beta2

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oscareczek wrote:3.11.411 is newer. Use WfW 3.1 wfwsetup.dll, expand netapi.dll from beta to %windir%\system, run setup /i
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Huh, I could almost swear that you mentioned 3.11.411 earlier. Thanks for the info, though!

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Re: WfW 3.11 beta2

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I said that you have to replace IFSMGR.386 with older 3.11.411 file because it's broken (ios.386 is broken, too, but isn't essential for Windows booting).
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Re: WfW 3.11 beta2

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The Earliest one I've heard of was 409, could this build really be a legit beta build?

Edit: I believe this is a fake...

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 │  ─═E═C═R═─            ELECTRONIC RATS PROUDLY PRESENT            ─═E═C═R═─  │
 │                Microsoft Workgroups V3.11 Beta 2 for Windows                │
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 │ CRACKED BY   : -                   │ SUPPLIED BY  : Monitrix                │
 │ PROTECTION   : -                   │ COMPANY/BY   : Microsoft               │
 │ RELEASE DATE : 05-23-93            │ OVERALL      : good                    │
 │ DISKS        : 9                   │ PACKAGER     : BlacK RideR             │
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If this is legit, could you at least show the floppies?
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Re: WfW 3.11 beta2

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Windows 3.11 RTM is 3.11.002, so the last number doesn't really matter .-.
I think there are a lot of Longhorns without CD scan, so what?

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Thanks for sharing. Build 48? Never seen that before.

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oscareczek wrote:Windows 3.11 RTM is 3.11.002, so the last number doesn't really matter .-.
I think there are a lot of Longhorns without CD scan, so what?
I'm pretty sure it said "WfW 3.11 beta2" and not "Windows 3.11 beta2"
The RTM release for WfW 3.11 is 412.
And this release was around May 1993...
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Re: WfW 3.11 beta2

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Checked the source, nothing new. Anyway, the build numbering of Windows/for Workgroups 3.11 versions is somewhat controversial.

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Re: WfW 3.11 beta2

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Windows 95 4.00.225 – 1st Dec 1994
Windows 95 4.00.950 – 11th July 1995
222 days – build number increased by 725
It's not impossible that they could jump from 048 to 412 in 188 days.

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WindowsCollector2000 wrote:If this is legit, could you at least show the floppies?
Read harder. Darkstar said they were zip files on a tape filled with warez releases. You want floppy scans, go track down "Monitrix"

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Re: WfW 3.11 beta2

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I just downloaded the WfW 3.1 RTM off the FTP, and all I can find is WFWSETUP.CP_, not WFWSETUP.DL_. Any ideas?

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I can at least translate the DL_ into DLL, but not the CP_...
And was it WfW 3.1, or 3.11 that you downloaded?
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WindowsCollector2000 wrote:I can at least translate the DL_ into DLL, but not the CP_...
And was it WfW 3.1, or 3.11 that you downloaded?
I downloaded WfW 3.10 in English. It's the one labeled 'Microsoft Windows For Workgroups 3.1 (3.10.102) (3.5'')' on the FTP.

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Re: WfW 3.11 beta2

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Oh, I thought WfW 3.11 was 3.11.102 (The RTM)
Might as well check it out!
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Re: WfW 3.11 beta2

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Forgot to mention: rename WFWSETUP.CP_ to WFWSETUP.DL_

So, maybe full instruction:
1. Download this beta, WfW 3.1 and older 3.11.411.
2. Replace WFWSETUP.DL_ in beta with WFWSETUP.CP_ from WfW 3.1.
3. Replace IFSMGR.38_ with 3.11.411 (you can do the same thing with IOS.38_, but it's not necessary).
4. EXPAND NETAPI.DL_ C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\NETAPI.DLL
5. Run SETUP /I
6. Install and run.

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oscareczek wrote:3. Replace IFSMGR.38_ with 3.11.411 (you can do the same thing with IOS.38_, but it's not necessary).
Did you try running this on PCem to see if the replacement is really necessary there?
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PCem works like… …on my PC : x (why this emoticon is translated as mad?)

VPC: setup /i is necessary and…
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OK, I just successfully installed this in PCem.
1. I used the WFWSETUP.DLL from Chicago 58s - Setup proceded fine, with the exception of a small complaint about the wrong version of WFWSETUP.DLL in the end, but that's ignorable;
2. IFSMGR is not broken - Setup forgets to add DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS to CONFIG.SYS, but after I added that manually, Windows runs fine. Also, no IOS replacement needed, either.
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So basically only WFWSETUP.DL_ is missing from this release?
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Re: WfW 3.11 beta2

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Battler wrote:OK, I just successfully installed this in PCem.
1. I used the WFWSETUP.DLL from Chicago 58s - Setup proceded fine, with the exception of a small complaint about the wrong version of WFWSETUP.DLL in the end, but that's ignorable;
2. IFSMGR is not broken - Setup forgets to add DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS to CONFIG.SYS, but after I added that manually, Windows runs fine. Also, no IOS replacement needed, either.
I can confirm this is the best way to install this build. Cool little build, thanks Darkstar. :)

@mrpijey: yes, only WFWSETUP.DL_ from disk 1 is corrupted.
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