BetaArchive Logo
Navigation Home Screenshots Image Uploader Server Info FTP Servers Wiki Forum RSS Feed Rules Please Donate
UP: 1d, 15h, 39m | CPU: % | MEM: 7286MB of 24567MB used
{The community for beta collectors}

Forum rules


Please read the following rules before posting a download request in this area:

1. Don't post a request if you have under 10 posts as stated on the front page. If you do anyway, it will be deleted without further notice. This also applies to other members: If you see a request by someone with less than 10 posts and it hasn't been deleted yet, please don't reply to it.
2. Don't request for warez or any copyrighted software. Only betas (no matter how old or new) and finals of operating systems and applications that are at least 10 years old and therefore classified as abandonware are allowed to be uploaded to and shared on the BetaArchive FTP server.
3. If you have your own FTP server where you'd like other members to upload what you're looking for to, please don't post its login details in any open forum as that will probably lead to abuse. Post the login details in the Private Servers section instead.
4. Check that we don't already have the file on our FTP servers. If you don't have access to the FTP servers then ask someone who has (a moderator for example).


Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6 posts ] 
Author Message
 PostPost subject: [Request] Michigan Terminal System        Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:29 pm 
Reply with quote
FTP Access
Offline

Joined
Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:58 pm

Posts
25

Favourite OS
PC-MOS 5.01
I know someone out there has a running version of MTS that works in Hercules. I'd love to add this system to my collection, but I believe there may be problems with private data and/or copyright issues. Anybody know anything? There is quite a bit on Wikipedia about this important mainframe OS.


Top  Profile
 PostPost subject: Re: [Request] Michigan Terminal System        Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:32 pm 
Reply with quote
FTP Access
User avatar
Offline

Joined
Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:29 pm

Posts
1333

Location
SE Asia

Favourite OS
MS-DOS 3.30a & Windows/386!
I thought it was related to MUSIC in some weird way.

But I don't have any mainframe abandonware .... that stuff is.. lost to us all.

_________________
"Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." – Henry Spencer


Top  Profile
 PostPost subject: Re: [Request] Michigan Terminal System        Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:24 pm 
Reply with quote
FTP Access
Offline

Joined
Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:58 pm

Posts
25

Favourite OS
PC-MOS 5.01
Quote:
that stuff is.. lost to us all.

I fear you may be right. However, this was not a complete stab in the dark. At least one person who worked on an MTS system has recovered the software and has it running in emulation. He seems to be keeping it to himself for now - possible for very good reasons. I was just taking a stab here to see if anyone else may have known anything.

I don't think MUSIC/SP is code-related to MTS, but fortunately there is a pretty cool virtual MUSIC/SP system out there for us to play with, if we wish. Anyone who has a passing interest in old mainframe operating systems, especially those used at colleges and universities in the 1980's and 1990's will find more info and a MUSIC/SP virtual system at http://www.canpub.com/teammpg/de/sim390/index.htm

It is quite easy to set up, and a hoot to play with.


Top  Profile
 PostPost subject: Re: [Request] Michigan Terminal System        Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:17 am 
Reply with quote
FTP Access
User avatar
Offline

Joined
Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:29 pm

Posts
1333

Location
SE Asia

Favourite OS
MS-DOS 3.30a & Windows/386!
the sad thing with that is the author died, and there is zero hope of any of it really being released outside of the binary blobs.

so it's effectively dead.

_________________
"Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." – Henry Spencer


Top  Profile
 PostPost subject: Re: [Request] Michigan Terminal System        Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:18 am 
Reply with quote
FTP Access
Offline

Joined
Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:04 pm

Posts
116

Favourite OS
Ubuntu Netbook Remix
I havent found a runnable version yet, but there are a few sites which contain a lot of documents relating to MTS

http://bitsavers.org/pdf/univOfMichigan/mts/

and

http://archive.michigan-terminal-system.org/

_________________
vi is the only development environment you need


Top  Profile
 PostPost subject: Re: [Request] Michigan Terminal System        Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:48 am 
Reply with quote
Offline

Joined
Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:01 am

Posts
1

Favourite OS
D6.0
MTS distributions starting with D1.0 (1968) and ending with D6.0 (1988) are now freely available in the Software Archive at Bitsavers.org under a Creative Commons Attribution license (CC BY 3.0). The material is available as a collection of simulated magnetic tapes in AWS format together with associated documentation. An overview of the material is also available, see: http://archive.michigan-terminal-system.org/documentation/mts-distributions

Working with the D6.0 distribution materials it would be possible to create an IPLable version of MTS, but in the future we hope to make this easier by adding an IPLable version of MTS suitable for use with a S/370 emulator such as Hercules. The IPLable version of MTS will be based upon the version of MTS that was in use at the University of Michigan in 1996 shortly before MTS was shutdown.

There is no relationship between MUSIC or MUSIC/SP and MTS other than that they were both time-sharing operating systems that ran on IBM System/360 and System/370 mainframes. MUSIC (McGill University System for Interactive Computing) was developed at McGill University in 1972 and MTS (Michigan Terminal System) was developed at the University of Michigan in 1967. MTS was extended/enhanced at 7 other sites over the years. The last MTS site (RPI) shutdown in 1999.

And while there have been some deaths among the community of programmers that developed MTS, as of December 2011 most of us are still alive and kicking.

-Jeff Ogden
former U-M Computing Center staff member


Top  Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6 posts ] 




Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 10 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  

All views expressed in these forums are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views of the BetaArchive site owner.

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group

Copyright © 2006-2017

 

Sitemap | XML | RSS