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 PostPost subject: System 0.78        Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:05 pm 
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There is a System 0.78 and even earlier it says here, http://www.betaarchive.com/wiki/index.p ... ystem_0.78. Does anyone know where to find them?
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There's not much information available about it, let alone information on how to find it.
The earliest version of Macintosh I was able to find a full distribution of is System 0.85. I also have a 400 kB Mini vMac image for that version.


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I think this is against the rules, but winworldpc.com has them. Go to Software library, Abandonware OSes, and Mac. First things you will see is System 0.85

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 PostPost subject: Re: System 0.78        Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:47 am 
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I think this is against the rules, but winworldpc.com has them. Go to Software library, Abandonware OSes, and Mac. First things you will see is System 0.85


It's not against the rules to reference winworld, but we actively discourage doing so because they basically mirrored BA FTP.

However, if you think something is against the rules, why not just PM a member of staff about it before posting?

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 PostPost subject: Re: System 0.78        Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:53 am 
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Are you tried to search on Google for System 0.78?

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 PostPost subject: Re: System 0.78        Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:22 am 
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Here are the scans from BYTE Magazine's 1984 review of the Macintosh 128k. These are the screenshots that I referenced in that wiki article while editing it.

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The version number stated on the wiki is pure speculation - it should be removed or otherwise disregarded.

If you want to read the whole article - click here. It does not feature any more screenshots except for a large screenshot of MacWrite which doesn't differ from the final in any way. However, it's a great read - I highly recommend that you read it :)

Enjoy :)


I will be adding more regarding earlier versions than the BYTE magazine build. I am simply adding this notice to inform you about it so you can check this post again for more information.

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 PostPost subject: Re: System 0.78        Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:07 pm 
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Don't forget that they seemingly reset the version numbers when Apple switched to using 3.5" floppy drives in the Mac - The people who have the Twiggy Mac have the OS for that machine.

I don't know if referencing 68k MLA is taboo, but there are more details about it there; including a discovery that those earliest of betas were timebombed.

I really hope that they owners of the Twiggy Mac will upload the OS disk images...


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You know, they said that they had a Lisa expert dump the ROMs and image the disks, and then promptly kept moving...

I'm sure the developer of Mini vMac could make a special binary meant to emulate the 128K-Twiggy. The distribution of ROMs could likely make a budding lawyer type who works for Apple Inc. especially interested, too, although I doubt they care.

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It could prove interesting to compare these early ROMs to TOS and PC-GEM and their sourcecode and beta screenshots.

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 PostPost subject: Re: System 0.78        Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:21 am 
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I believe that there may be a series of betas versions 0.1-0.9, but every time I search it, it comes up with mac os x.
the world can sometimes be just too modern...

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sammy wrote:
I believe that there may be a series of betas versions 0.1-0.9, but every time I search it, it comes up with mac os x.
the world can sometimes be just too modern...

Unforuntately not. Apple had a weird naming system and branded earlier System Software as "System 0.1, System 0.3" on some of the developer discs - they aren't what they claim to be - they're System 1.1 and on.

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Didn't Apple categorize their earliest "versions" by the version of Finder rather than the whole OS? We know that they used a lot of different Finder versions, so technically it could have been "Mac OS System 1" but still "Finder 0.1", "Finder 0.2" etc? This is why I included Finder version when tagging the earlier Mac OS systems on the FTP... since you sometimes could have a newer (or older) Finder version even when the System number remained the same.

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 PostPost subject: Re: System 0.78        Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:31 am 
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Here is system 0.85 in IMG format.Nothing but the guided tour is working.Sorry about that.
Download and extract using winRAR

Download -> S.85F1.0.rar - 137.1 KB


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 PostPost subject: Re: System 0.78        Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:28 pm 
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Believe me or not, I am on WinWorldPC everyday. The OLDEST version of Mac OS I see is System 0.85.
I searched Macintosh System 0.78 on Google and nothing doing.
So, enough said.

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 PostPost subject: Re: System 0.78        Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:07 pm 
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DJ Deedahx wrote:
Believe me or not, I am on WinWorldPC everyday. The OLDEST version of Mac OS I see is System 0.85.
I searched Macintosh System 0.78 on Google and nothing doing.
So, enough said.

Yes, the oldest one currently available is 0.85 - and System 0.78 was a version number created out of speculation - did you even read this topic before posting?

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Here is system 0.85 in IMG format.Nothing but the guided tour is working.Sorry about that.
Download and extract using winRAR

Download -> S.85F1.0.rar - 137.1 KB

Thank you for the link. We already have this on our FTP server, however.

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Didn't Apple categorize their earliest "versions" by the version of Finder rather than the whole OS? We know that they used a lot of different Finder versions, so technically it could have been "Mac OS System 1" but still "Finder 0.1", "Finder 0.2" etc? This is why I included Finder version when tagging the earlier Mac OS systems on the FTP... since you sometimes could have a newer (or older) Finder version even when the System number remained the same.

http://www.mac512.com/macwebpages/systemvn.htm

Here's a good resource regarding Apple's confusing version numbering system.

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Patrick wrote:
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Believe me or not, I am on WinWorldPC everyday. The OLDEST version of Mac OS I see is System 0.85.
I searched Macintosh System 0.78 on Google and nothing doing.
So, enough said.

Yes, the oldest one currently available is 0.85 - and System 0.78 was a version number created out of speculation - did you even read this topic before posting?


Of course I did :?

I renewed my Google search of System 0.78, and yes, it shows this BA topic on top.
There even is a Google search suggestion of System 0.97, but I'm not saying anything; some speculation again?

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DJ Deedahx wrote:
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DJ Deedahx wrote:
Believe me or not, I am on WinWorldPC everyday. The OLDEST version of Mac OS I see is System 0.85.
I searched Macintosh System 0.78 on Google and nothing doing.
So, enough said.

Yes, the oldest one currently available is 0.85 - and System 0.78 was a version number created out of speculation - did you even read this topic before posting?


Of course I did :?

I renewed my Google search of System 0.78, and yes, it shows this BA topic on top.
There even is a Google search suggestion of System 0.97, but I'm not saying anything; some speculation again?

0.97 indeed exists and is on the BA FTP.

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There is no such thing as "0.78", or at least 0.78 is not leaked. 0.85 was leaked, and 0.97 (aka 1.0) was introduced on January 24, 1984.

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 PostPost subject: Re: System 0.78        Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:52 am 
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Brandon Sky wrote:
There is no such thing as "0.78", or at least 0.78 is not leaked. 0.85 was leaked, and 0.97 (aka 1.0) was introduced on January 24, 1984.

Read the topic, and you will realize that I explained that System 0.78 is a speculative version number, compared to 0.85.
What we do know is that the version number might not have gone down that low - screenshots from prototype hardware reveal that the version number must have reset (or perhaps have been an entirely different versioning system) when Apple ditched the twiggy drive.

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