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betamaster
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[REQ] Program like PE builder

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Where i can download program like PE Builder but for Windows NT 4.0/2000 or 98/ME

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Post by empireum »

NT4/2000 – impossible AFAIK as the kernel doesn't support being booted and run from a CD.
9x/ME – I've seen a tutorial on how to run it from a bootable CD with the use of a RAM disk, but I'll have to find it.

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Have a look at this: http://www.disklessangel.com/

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Post by betamaster »

D.Konieczny wrote:Have a look at this: http://www.disklessangel.com/
Thank you.

KenOath

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There's Win2000 bootable Preinstallation CD's around that could
be used similar to the XP one's whereas they'd boot to the command
prompt with a wallpaper'd background allowing to prepare your HD
& whatever...
Can't see why you couldn't make a live CD with it...

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Re: [REQ] Program like PE builder

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betamaster wrote:Where i can download program like PE Builder but for Windows NT 4.0/2000 or 98/ME
For 98/Me, follow links in this thread:
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=12326

jaclaz

P.S.: @Ken0ath the NT4.00 and 2K kernel do not support the /minint switch, so a RO system is not possible, see this:
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=14399
However there WAS a COMMERCIAL solution (demo - fully functional but with a 20 or 30 minuted reboot time, if I recall correctly), here:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www ... ts/AB.php3

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Post by RentedMule »

Nonsense. NT4 Embedded is pretty much PEBuilder for NT4. It comes with FBWF (File Based Write Filter), which supports writing to read only media (something like a ramdisk). While there isn't a builder for 2k explicitly, with a bit of time and know-how, along with the FBWF driver, you could easily make what you need.

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Post by Kenneth »

@jaclaz, Windows PE 2296 was based on Windows 2000.

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Post by jaclaz »

Sure , I took betamaster request literally.

PEbuilder, Winbuilder and the like, as well as the methods linked to 911CD for win 9x/Me create a RO system from "standard" release files.

NT4 Embedded is not NT 4.00, and surely before making XP MS made some beta based on Win2k with kernel allowing the /minint switch, what I meant is that there is no method (exception made for the one I linked to) that I know of that can make a RO system out of a "standard" files.

I remember doing a quick test of the AbsoluteBoot method, and from what I could gather it was mainly (similar to the also "defunct" Qualystem way for Win9x/Me) a Filesystem Driver and a Registry Redirector that allowed "virtual writes" to the Registry.

Noone, again AFAIK, has developed a similar solution, exception made for the already mentioned guys at disklessangel, though their solution is different, they simply load the full system into RAM.

Within certain limits, the same can be achieved using the MS NTLDR and RAMDISK.SYS (from Server 2003 SP1 +) through the method originally devised by euhenio:
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php? ... =19056&hl=
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php? ... 9056&st=29
though there are no reports of anyone testing it with NT 4.00/2K.

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Post by RentedMule »

jaclaz: NT Embedded IS NT4. All it is is an application called Target Designer (and Component Designer), which is largely the same as PEBuilder in functionality... but uses NT4. You even need to set up Target Builder to point to an NT4 cd. The point I was trying to make is that you don't need kernel support for booting from read-only media, because FBWF is a kernel mode driver that takes care of that issue.

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms854338.aspx
Windows NT Embedded 4.0 Overview

Windows NT Embedded 4.0 is a tool set that enables you to tailor the Windows NT operating system to meet the requirements of your embedded system hardware and software.

Using Windows NT Embedded tools, you can select the appropriate Windows NT components, build custom components, generate a bootable target operating system, and then put your target system on your hardware.

Windows NT Embedded 4.0 is comprised of the following tools:

* Target Designer

The primary authoring tool in Windows NT Embedded. Using Target Designer, you can create, customize, and build a bootable target operating system.
* Component Designer

The companion tool to Target Designer. Using Component Designer, you create custom components you want to add to the Target Designer System Database.
and

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms854318.aspx
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa940925.aspx

The FBWF specifies XP Embedded, but it had been there since NT4.

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Post by jaclaz »

Yes, sure, but, as you said, you need NT 4.00 Embedded and it's tools, NOT just the "standard" NT 4.00.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archiv ... x?mfr=true
In addition, Windows NT Embedded 4.0 provides the following embedded device-enabling functionality:


Headless support so that embedded devices do not require a display, mouse, keyboard, or direct human interaction.


Solid-state media support to boot and operate from spindleless media (such as integrated flash memory).


Read-only support to boot and operate from CD-ROM.


Remote management of embedded devices over a network, including either a text mode (command line) interface or a GUI management interface.


A write-filter driver that redirects writes to in-memory cache and makes underlying read-only media appear to support reads and writes.


Flexible page file support including no paging file.
What I meant, was that there is not an equivalent (and I mean by equivalent FREEWARE) solution for NT 4.00 and 2K.

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Post by RentedMule »

It can still be done by hand. Get familiar with building Windows PE and you can get it done.

KenOath

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RentedMule wrote:It can still be done by hand. Get familiar with building Windows PE and you can get it done.
That was my general thought on the matter too when making the post about
the Win2000 pre-install CD above...

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Post by Kenneth »

I'm sorry for the bump, but here is one thing.
http://www.resqware.com/default.htm

It works with Windows 2000.
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