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Do you guys think this is a good idea?
Yes. 60%  60%  [ 33 ]
No. 22%  22%  [ 12 ]
Maybe. 18%  18%  [ 10 ]
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 PostPost subject: X-DOS planning thread.        Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:26 am 
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Okay, here's the plan. The project is to modify MS-DOS 7.1, and make it better. How? Well, like this.

Step 1: Include drivers and features, that don't need to be made; basically just GNU drivers, that are non-copyrighted.

Step 2: Recode the kernel, the original drivers, make new generic video-card drivers, and port some unix features and internet features. Make fast, high-ram, fast processer compatibilities, and NTFS features, support 32-bit programs and make the foundation (kernel or whatever) 32 bit.

Step 3: Soup it up, make colorful text, a cool startup screen, and a improved autoexec.bat.

I need help doing this. I do not know how to program, but I do know like, everything else about computers.

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I don't think it should be named MS-DOS 10. Maybe just call it DOS Compilation or something. There are already other versions of DOS out there that have FAT32 and LFN support. I know you can view previously input commands by press up and down arrows with some application that comes with MS-DOS somewhere. I'd like to have tab completion like in Linux, I don't know if that's out there already or not. Some way to load drivers from the command prompt would be useful, I know that there is a utility out there to do that somewhere. Though the last three times that I've looked for it I haven't been able to find it


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We should call it X-DOS.

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I think that this is a great idea, and would love to help if this project starts.


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I might be able to help you compile a list of useful tools.


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Well, then maybe we should start it soon... :D

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gammainfection wrote:
I know what to call it! What about X-DOS? I don't know what the X stands for, but it sounds cool. :P Oh, and the tab thing sounds hard, but good idea! :D And if this thing happens... We might have to start using that web hosting. :)

X could be the Roman numeral for ten like in Mac OS X. But the X in X-DOS could be pronounced "ex" instead of being pronounced "ten".

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Now, I do like the idea of X standing for 10 in roman numerals. Being pronounced ex, that's what I was thinking too. And for the logo we could make a black background with a green, red or blue X. Maybe the X could be like two slashes, both diagonal. And if you want to post a bootscreen for XDOS, you need to make a 320 pixel long and 400 pixel high, 265 color picture. You guys should get a trial of corel paintshop pro, the trial is 30 days, plenty long enough. Here's a bootscreen I made:

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QBasic has the issue that it is purely procedural. Use Visual Basic for DOS. Not only is it source compatible with QBasic, it also has support for classes, and a much better compiler.


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Why don't we get a list of features together? I'll start.

1. LFN Support
2. FAT32 Support

Why does the name have to include the number 10?


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To QuiescentWonder: It has to be the number 10 because basically it's going to be sort of like MS-DOS 10.0, and because somehow to me, the way it goes "X-DOS" sounds cool. And if we created an X-DOS 11... well, we'd just say the X is the name, not the number. "Why does it have to be ten?" , your question, why did you ask it? Why, do you have a better idea? :D

Continuing with the list:
3: A built in console calculator
4: Built in support for Soundblaster 16
5: Maybe thumbnails, if possible to program
6: Color command, to change text color and backcolor without the long complicated PROMPT commands...

That's 4 of my ideas, I'll have more. :)

To RentedMule... Umm... can You explain to Me where to get that program, and if you're just talking about just regular Visual Basic, and if it's free. Oh, and thanks for telling me that, because QBASIC is good for simple stuff, but we're going to need a little more complicated compiler. :wink:

To Everybody Interested in this Idea... I PMed Andy and asked him if we could have a place to put our stuff. Read the very top post on Custom Operating Systems. Andy wrote it like a year ago.

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There wasn't an MS-DOS 9 as far as I know.

Add USB, FATX and LBA support to the list.

Maybe being able to scroll up and down through the CLI would be a good idea. I don't see how you could add thumbnail support to DOS. Maybe you could write an application that would show you thumbnails.

You might want to look into FreeDOS, DR-DOS, PTS-DOS, PC-DOS and this: http://www.drdosprojects.de/

Maybe the best thing to base it off of is ROM-DOS. They supply the source code and it already has native FAT32 and LFN support. It's only free non-commercially and to a single user though.


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Make that better :D

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Heh, I forgot about Seal. I never got it to run on anything, it would always crash. Who knows how long ago that was though.

Is it just me or does it look like Seal stole icons right out of XP?


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Calling it MS-DOS 10 is a tad confusing, because DOS 10 has already been used in OS/2 1.x, So if the dosver() returns a value >10, the program thinks it's running in OS/2.

I prefer DOS 8, or 8.1, really.

QBASIC, like BASIC before it, is not very integrated into the OS. That is, these forms of basic are intended to run basic scripts alone, at the expense of other files.

The sole redeeming feature of QBASIC is that it can be tought to load HELP.HLP in the editor, which means that you can copy/paste between help and a text document.

I prefer REXX as the scripting language, since this supports already STDIO, and exists (via regina), in many different platforms.

Wishlist

1. EXTPROC support. see OS/2 cmd.exe + 4nt. You can run a batch under a different processor.
2. REXX support (you can pipe through a rexx script, and filters are not hard to write) [PCDOS 7.x]
3. FDISK that can create multiple primary partitions.
4. Ability to boot from any partition if started by a boot-loader.

2,3 can be supported out of PC_DOS and free-fdisk, 1, 4 require serious hacking.


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Check this out:

http://nevasca.fbdevzone.com/forum/index.php
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I think it is a good idea! The name is also cool! Maybe the forum will also become more popular because of this (like joejoe.org had with longhorn reloaded).

I think it is a good idea to include this functions:

-ntfs reader/writer
-better versions of fdisk, like efdisk (http://www.masterbooter.com/)
- the commando chkdsk
- a better version for writer

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"- a better version for writer"

What?

Also, I don't even think there is a Linux distro that can write to NTFS volumes. There is already an NTFS Read-Only driver for DOS.


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QuiescentWonder wrote:
"- a better version for writer"

What?

Also, I don't even think there is a Linux distro that can write to NTFS volumes. There is already an NTFS Read-Only driver for DOS.


Linux write support works great with NTFS-3G: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/

DOS has great NTFS read/write support with NTFSDOS: http://www.wintotal.de/Software/index.php?rb=53&id=1227


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NTFSDOS is free but doesn't have write capabilities.
NTFSDOS Professional is read/wite and was available to buy or as a demo version from Sysinternals until Microsoft bought them.

Don't know if it would be legal to use NTFSDOS Professional. Microsoft doesn't offer it anymore.


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zeehonden_3 wrote:
Maybe the forum will also become more popular because of this (like joejoe.org had with longhorn reloaded).


Why on earth would we want anything like the miserable failure that was LHR? It served only to attract Microsoft's attention and restrict the Beta community further. Joejoe is still suffering from the attention brought by LHR.

Someone also brought up the idea of USB Support. I'd certainly be interested if this project were to lead to a DOS that could be booted off a USB Drive and could read/write NTFS and ideally format/partition Hard drives, much like DISKPART in Windows. Something like this would be ideal for a quick recovery of OSes. *Goes off and dreams about the possibility of an ximage-type app for DOS :P

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Why don't we make it a useful pack that installs on top of MS-DOS 7.10 instead? That'd be easier than creating an OS. How does that sound?
And Andy says we can have that hosting thing, whenever we're ready. :D And DOS can run on USB, freedos. Also, if we make it install on top of MS-DOS 7.10, we could make it say: MS-DOS 10 XDOS edition. Tell me how you like the idea, I don't want this thing to be made completely of of my ideas.
More list stuff:

7. USB, FATX and LBA support, LBA support and FAT32 are included in MSDOS 7.10
8. SVGA 1024x768x256 dos driver
9. Maybe some additional drivers
10. Improve and add the thing frozenport talked about.
11. NTFS read/write support, added utitlity to convert to NTFS, like zeehonden_3 said
12. 32 bit file support
13. A better version of edit.com, you mean? Zeehonden_3 wrote about a better version for writer.

Well, again, that's all I've got for now.
Anyways, I'm going to learn C++ quickly. I'll reply soon. (not really, LOL)

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QuiescentWonder wrote:
Heh, I forgot about Seal. I never got it to run on anything, it would always crash. Who knows how long ago that was though.

Is it just me or does it look like Seal stole icons right out of XP?

Everyone steals icons out of Xp these days. Even the preinstalled Linux on the eeePCs stole some UI cues from XP. :^)

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Don't continue talking about XP icons being stolen. Andy might lock this post. I'm not trying to be rude or anything. And I'm not talking to mdogg or QuiescentWonderer, I'm just making sure everybody doesn't start talking about Xp's Icons being stolen. :D Go to next page!


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QuiescentWonder wrote:
NTFSDOS is free but doesn't have write capabilities.
Don't know if it would be legal to use NTFSDOS Professional. Microsoft doesn't offer it anymore.


If they don't sell it anymore, that would classify it as abandonware... just like DOS.


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