ReactOS - Thoughts? Have you used it?

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I can't believe the ReactOS 0.4.0 .iso is only 113MB, and I saw in their meeting minutes that someone thinks they have some duplicate files and they could shrink it a bit!! I guess I'm so used to modern OSes, it seems shocking that it is so small, but I sure like the idea of no bloat! It installed pretty quickly under VirtualBox on my 10 year old PC.

Once I was playing with it, I was disappointed to get "WOW16 applications are not supported at the moment" messages, it seems like maybe lots of older apps that aren't 16-bit themselves might have 16-bit installers? And then I tried Visual C++ 6.0 and got a blue screen error. I'll keep trying to find something that will actually install :) The built-in solitaire app seems to work though!
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Edit: I found https://www.reactos.org/forum/viewtopic ... 22&t=10988, which covers the issue with 16-bit installers, or, as that post suggests, installer stubs. One of the workarounds involves running the installer on a real Windows machine so you can get the extracted 32-bit part of the installer. However, I think 7-Zip understands some of those installer formats, so that might be a better workaround. I'll try this out sometime.

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I haven't managed to use 7-Zip to do the above, but I did manage to install 7-Zip itself (version 15.14, and it had to be the 32-bit version).
I installed the VirtualBox guest tools from VBox 4.3 and can use shared folders. ReactOS didn't seem to be able to list the shares under \\vboxsrv, but you could provide a full path like \\vboxsrv\myshare and it worked - at least I could copy things from the shared folder, but trying to run installers directly from it seemed to cause hangs where it wouldn't respond to Ctrl-Alt-Del.
I installed the old free Borland C++ 5.5 compiler and compiled a trivial C program with it.
I played Stella, the Atari 2600 emulator, for about 30 seconds (didn't do a stability test).
I tried to run AppleWin, but it seemed to hang, and my attempt to kill it using Task Manager failed and made Task Manager hang too, but the OS still responded to Ctrl-Alt-Del and I was able to use the Shut Down button, so that was nicer than hitting the (virtual) power button.
Google Picasa 3.9 seemed to be working, although a bit slow and with some weird font rendering issues for a little bit of the text.
It has a lot of quirks, like redraw issues, and keyboard shortcuts not working in the Start Menu and Explorer, but I was surprised by how much it is able to run!

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So... While we're on the road to 0.4.2, I want to pause the time and say a number of things:

Firstly, despite the devs' assertions, 0.4 was a biiig kernel, win32k and shell bugfix update. Not much work was done about USB, WiFi and sound issues, we have manpower shortages, some fixes was incorporated though. Instead, work was focused on the core. 0.4 contains about 1400 bug fixes, including very bigger ones! Stability has much improved over the 0.3.17.

Secondly, after big release, future plans was shifted: We'll now release about every 3 months, meaning we'll see more bug fixes in the long run. And we see: check out ReactOS for newly running programs! 0.4.2 is going to be a huge update for filesystems. It's not pointless, it helps us: some bugs were found in ntoskrnl (mainly common cache and filesystem runtime) and there are still known ones.

And... application compatibility tools are being added. In near future, we plan to shift to Vista and upwards! Now we have fastened! Some new devs are coming! Four GSoC 2016 students are working on different projects for improving our drivers!

You should really download a nightly build and test ReactOS!
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Nice, I like the optimism towards the project.
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I actually think ReactOS could be a really decent OS if some time was spent actually working on it. As for opinions, I quite like the OS just because of how easy it is to use. With a couple of apps installed, you can end up with a fully working system that you can do anything on. Also, because of the compatibility with Windows binaries, you can install pretty much any 32-bit Windows apps you can think of! :OD
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0.4.2 released recently, or "ReactOS Filesystemania Update". That's good, at least we can improve our kernel... and FastFAT driver. Even though after branching for 0.4.2, fixes for reducing FS corruptions are ongoing. Second one is "small" shell fixes and improvements which makes some programs working now. Along with this, Win32 DLLs (from Wine), UNIATA, ACPI drivers updated; some system utilities improved, 1st stage setup issues fixed and so on... Now we start to do big things.

There's a small (?) problem: Due to an unimplemented function, Wine's latest D3D can't be synced ATM. Implementing this function requires rewriting some parts of our Win32 subsystem, which is not easy, so this was bypassed. Hope it'll be fixed on 0.4.3.

In the end, a funny thing: A patch that returns TRUE instead of 0 from SetThreadStackGuarantee made much-advertised .NET working :D
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cantasan99 wrote:0.4.2 released recently, or "ReactOS Filesystemania Update".
Cool, thanks for the update!
fixes for reducing FS corruptions are ongoing
This sounds a bit scary! Is the corruption only with the new filesystem types that are supported, or is FAT affected?
1st stage setup issues fixed
Is this referring to the ReactOS setup itself? I assume it isn't referring to 16-bit installer stubs, since I didn't see any mention of support for 16-bit code in the changelog, but I'd love to be wrong.

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Not at all! :)

FS corruptions might occur from anywhere, Common Cache (CC, a NT kernel module) is still incomplete. FastFAT is worse, since it's been written by ReactOS devs as back as early 2000s, there are plenty of leaks. FS drivers such as Btrfs or EXT2/3/4 are taken from another sources. Our devs sent pull requests occassionally, though. (Note: ReactOS still BSoDs with MS FastFAT driver.)

Sometimes, 1st stage setup (text-based ReactOS setup when booted from CD) can't see a disk, can't configure partitions or copy files, or there are bootloader related issues. Some of them have been fixed. You can take a look at JIRA (bug reports) for which issues have resolved in versions.

We should still wait for 16-bit setup stubs...
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Ok. I used almost latest release - 73004 boot cd, and what i can say:
Not good, even if this is alpha. I seen it about a year ago, and nothing changed. Maybe there is a "more than needed" enchantments in api, but why user ( that word is main) see only a theme for desktop lol. I can't even install drivers for sound in vmware.
It is really great for education, but as finished os... Unbeliveable.
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leomoskva wrote:but as finished os... Unbeliveable.
It's not finished...
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Overdoze wrote:
leomoskva wrote:but as finished os... Unbeliveable.
It's not finished...
Not. But how do you imagine reactOS, that is complete? I mean, looks like it will be never finished[emoji1]

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leomoskva wrote:
Overdoze wrote:
leomoskva wrote:but as finished os... Unbeliveable.
It's not finished...
Not. But how do you imagine reactOS, that is complete? I mean, looks like it will be never finished[emoji1]

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roytam1 wrote:
leomoskva wrote:
Overdoze wrote:
leomoskva wrote:but as finished os... Unbeliveable.
It's not finished...
Not. But how do you imagine reactOS, that is complete? I mean, looks like it will be never finished[emoji1]

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Ask Putin to put resources on developing ReactOS then :P
In russia it was a school project. Kolibri OS looks more finished.

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leomoskva wrote:
roytam1 wrote:
leomoskva wrote:
Overdoze wrote:
leomoskva wrote:but as finished os... Unbeliveable.
It's not finished...
Not. But how do you imagine reactOS, that is complete? I mean, looks like it will be never finished[emoji1]

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Ask Putin to put resources on developing ReactOS then :P
In russia it was a school project. Kolibri OS looks more finished.

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I quite like how conservative the development team for ReactOS is, it doesn't extend much past the philosophy of Windows 2000 nor should it. Compatibility and stability will only continue to grow stronger.

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Drapy wrote:
leomoskva wrote:
roytam1 wrote:
leomoskva wrote:
Overdoze wrote: It's not finished...
Not. But how do you imagine reactOS, that is complete? I mean, looks like it will be never finished[emoji1]

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I'd Take a look on it if it's possible
Use nightly builds then

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ReactOS is releasing new beta versions each 3 months or so, which is pretty nice if we consider it took a year (i guess) from 3.7 to 4.0 version. Their download center is good, make life easier to install tested software. Unfortunately a lot of software still doesn't work yet, but as i said, with new updates every 3 months we can expect a more stable and smooth system.

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Last I used it (couple years back) it was pretty sparse in a ton of ways, with some preliminary implementations of stuff. Sorta reminds me of how early Windows worked, but baby steps.

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Has anyone actually been tracking ReactOS?
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atticusb05 wrote:Has anyone actually been tracking ReactOS?
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0.4.4 released yesterday ;)

This release includes basic printing support, more to come, especially completing spooling modules and adding USB printer support.

In Nov'16, Hermes Belusca was hired for adding Word 2010 support. Major fixes for services, advapi32 and userenv came in, more to come. Also, for shell, major leak fixes were made. Lastly, some Win32k fixes for proper drawing and improving networking DLLs to get more Internet-related apps working.
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ReactOS is very promising. It needs some polishing though. Now a Wine oriented Linux distribution would be cool ;)

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I don't think there would be much users for a wine-oriented Linux distribution: usually you pick Linux distribution to achieve some certain tasks. Wine is only necessary if some of them can not be achieved with pure linux tooling. Why would anyone switch their current distribution in favor of wine-oriented one?

Actually such thing existed, but proved to be not really popular. It was called "Lindows", and later on "Lindash".

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I've run almost every released version and many of the trunk builds. I see clear progress in the latest versions. The biggest issue I see running in virtualbox is the lack of a sound driver. The latest Firefox version with HTML5 media player and all that stuff works ok.

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alt-x wrote:I don't think there would be much users for a wine-oriented Linux distribution: usually you pick Linux distribution to achieve some certain tasks. Wine is only necessary if some of them can not be achieved with pure linux tooling. Why would anyone switch their current distribution in favor of wine-oriented one?

Actually such thing existed, but proved to be not really popular. It was called "Lindows", and later on "Lindash".

Yes, no need for such a thing. Wine is only a small supplement for most Linux users. ReactOS is great because it fills that gap between sort of the 'wild west' of Linux and the constrained environment of Windows.

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