BetaArchive Logo
Navigation Home Database Screenshots Gallery Image Uploader Server Info FTP Servers Wiki Forum RSS Feed Rules Please Donate
UP: 77d, 6h, 52m | CPU: 4% | MEM: 6326MB of 12287MB used
{The community for beta collectors}

Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 41 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2
Author Message
 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:58 pm 
Reply with quote
FTP Access
User avatar
Offline

Joined
Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:47 pm

Posts
395

Favourite OS
2600
Venetik wrote:
bcfk, Midori IS non-Windows OS. And it's succesor to Windows. That's all.

It was a reply to Terra854, who was predicting a managed language rewrite for the next Windows major release. Which I would exclude at the moment.

But please don't act like you already know everything about what Midori is, because no one does.
In fact it seems like Microsoft has yet to decide what to do with it.

Anyway, both M# and Midori are still research projects and, as such, they could easily end up being little more than academic style exercises (exactly like Barrelfish and Singularity).
We don't have proof of Midori turning into a commercial product, let alone it becoming the successor to Windows.
AlphaBeta wrote:
Singularity ISN'T written in plain C#. It's written in Sing#, which is an extension of Spec# (itself an extension of C#). And the lowest-level interrupt dispatch code is in C and ASM.
So I'd guess Microsoft will be extending Sing#, with the result being that mystery M#.

Maybe, but that blog post really sounds like they're starting the new language from scratch (using C# as a foundation).
If M# won't be based on Sing# (which is yet to prove), it'd certainly reuse many concepts from it, especially all that code contracts stuff.


Top  Profile
 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:06 pm 
Reply with quote
FTP Access
User avatar
Offline

Joined
Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:34 pm

Posts
440

Favourite OS
Serenity
bckf wrote:
Venetik wrote:
bcfk, Midori IS non-Windows OS. And it's succesor to Windows. That's all.

It was a reply to Terra854, who was predicting a managed language rewrite for the next Windows major release. Which I would exclude at the moment.

But please don't act like you already know everything about what Midori is, because no one does.
In fact it seems like Microsoft has yet to decide what to do with it.


I can tell about Midori enough, as I know from my friend who work at Microsoft.

_________________
My shithole (chat)


Top  Profile  WWW
 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:14 pm 
Reply with quote
FTP Access
User avatar
Offline

Joined
Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:47 pm

Posts
395

Favourite OS
2600
We're all eager to know more about it. Tell us!


Top  Profile
 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:39 am 
Reply with quote
FTP Access
Offline

Joined
Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:36 pm

Posts
150

Favourite OS
jplg 1.0.1
looking their interviews its a failed project
guy trying to explain in 30 minutes how they achieve faster speeds by 2% and 5% in certain areas (WOW)

yet this was all made FOR single core CPU's in single core CPU era
and when interviewer mentioned "incoming" multi cores, they just grinned stupidly


Last edited by MouseOnMars on Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:43 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top  Profile
 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:43 am 
Reply with quote
FTP Access
Offline

Joined
Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:35 pm

Posts
135

Favourite OS
Mac OS X 10.5 + 10.6, Win NT 6.X
Why did you edit your post?
And we don't know it's a failed project. For all we know they could have ported major Windows Libraries and APIs over to "Midori" by now.


Top  Profile
 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:44 am 
Reply with quote
FTP Access
Offline

Joined
Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:36 pm

Posts
150

Favourite OS
jplg 1.0.1
deBop wrote:
Why did you edit your post?

coz it would create alot of drama

deBop wrote:
For all we know they could have ported major Windows Libraries and APIs over to "Midori" by now.

AFAIK thats exactly what they want to avoid
as that would mean a copy of Windows and not new foundation

in fact they mentioned Windows always in laughing way how it does things the wrong way
unlike their new project


Top  Profile
 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:07 am 
Reply with quote
FTP Access
User avatar
Offline

Joined
Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:47 pm

Posts
395

Favourite OS
2600
MouseOnMars wrote:
looking their interviews its a failed project
guy trying to explain in 30 minutes how they achieve faster speeds by 2% and 5% in certain areas (WOW)

yet this was all made FOR single core CPU's in single core CPU era
and when interviewer mentioned "incoming" multi cores, they just grinned stupidly

Oh, what are you talking about?
You're probably referring to Singularity, which was never meant to be a commercial product.
Its purpose was to show how it's possible to write a decent OS using (almost) only managed code.

On the other hand, we can be pretty sure Midori is not that OS from the single core era.
World got to know about Midori first in 2008, already in the current multi core era.
Check your facts before coming here creating a lot of drama.


Top  Profile
 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:30 am 
Reply with quote
FTP Access
Offline

Joined
Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:35 pm

Posts
135

Favourite OS
Mac OS X 10.5 + 10.6, Win NT 6.X
MouseOnMars wrote:
deBop wrote:
Why did you edit your post?

coz it would create alot of drama

deBop wrote:
For all we know they could have ported major Windows Libraries and APIs over to "Midori" by now.

AFAIK thats exactly what they want to avoid
as that would mean a copy of Windows and not new foundation

in fact they mentioned Windows always in laughing way how it does things the wrong way
unlike their new project


The "new foundation" would be that the whole/most of the OS is rewritten in managed code, doing away with NT. Java runs on multiple OSes but does that mean each OS is a copy of one another? No.


Top  Profile
 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:34 am 
Reply with quote
FTP Access
Offline

Joined
Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:36 pm

Posts
150

Favourite OS
jplg 1.0.1
its not just about being rewritten
but how it works, how it manages operations differently


Top  Profile
 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:42 am 
Reply with quote
FTP Access
Offline

Joined
Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:35 pm

Posts
135

Favourite OS
Mac OS X 10.5 + 10.6, Win NT 6.X
Then how would it be a "copy of Windows"? I think your starting to contradict yourself.


Top  Profile
 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:14 am 
Reply with quote
FTP Access
Offline

Joined
Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:36 pm

Posts
150

Favourite OS
jplg 1.0.1
it can be rewritten in c# but if it manages things the same way then it is a very same copy
just rewritten in c# and not c/c++

but as the project tends NOT to manage things in same way, in fact it acts totally different
(which is great as it is far less exploitable)
then its not copy nor it is encouraged to be one, hence no porting of "same" winOS API's


Top  Profile
 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:51 pm 
Reply with quote
FTP Access
Offline

Joined
Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:35 pm

Posts
135

Favourite OS
Mac OS X 10.5 + 10.6, Win NT 6.X
MouseOnMars wrote:
it can be rewritten in c# but if it manages things the same way then it is a very same copy
just rewritten in c# and not c/c++


That's oxymoronic...


Top  Profile
 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:59 pm 
Reply with quote
User avatar
Offline

Joined
Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:35 pm

Posts
1

Favourite OS
Windows 8.1 (9600)
Look it isn't Windows NT based so lets face it they're dealing with new technology that they don't understand ya know what I say: Windows Vista 2.0 :D


Top  Profile
 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:39 pm 
Reply with quote
FTP Access
Offline

Joined
Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:36 pm

Posts
150

Favourite OS
jplg 1.0.1
heck, then I'm wrong.


Top  Profile
 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:35 am 
Reply with quote
FTP Access
Offline

Joined
Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:56 pm

Posts
466
From Wikipedia, M# was invented by Geeks Inc in 2012.
I'm not sure if it said anything about Metro in there.

_________________
86Box Power User & Configuration Tester
Now known as DDX on most websites
System configuration


Top  Profile
 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:20 am 
Reply with quote
Donator
User avatar
Offline

Joined
Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:23 pm

Posts
315

Location
Neptune

Favourite OS
Windows 10
DJ Deedahx wrote:
From Wikipedia, M# was invented by Geeks Inc in 2012.
I'm not sure if it said anything about Metro in there.


M# from Wikipedia's article is a from a totally different product


Top  Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 41 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2




Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  

All views expressed in these forums are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views of the BetaArchive site owner.

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group

Copyright © 2006-2019

 

Sitemap | XML | RSS