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 PostPost subject: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:29 pm 
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Found this online. Any thoughts?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57616 ... ops-clues/

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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:01 pm 
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Could that be the fruit of "Singularity"? It mentions C. And Singularity has .Net AND C.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:16 pm 
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Just looks like taking Singularity further and developing it more for commercial release.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:51 am 
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Apparently Microsoft invented M# to help build it. It was just moved up into a different development department or something for further development, so it appears to actually be moving up

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M#; ain't that Metro?
This could be Windows 9...

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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:05 am 
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M# is an extended version of C#, I think.


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Why guess when you can find out the facts instead?

Wikipedia

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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:34 am 
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mrpijey wrote:
Why guess when you can find out the facts instead?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M_Sharp_(p ... g_language)

I can't seem to access that link...

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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:20 am 
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I have a feeling that if this project is successful and shows that operating systems can be created with managed code, Microsoft may decide to rewrite Windows in managed code (C#).


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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:25 am 
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I can't seem to access that link...

That's because it's missing the closing bracket. Let's try again: M#


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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:31 am 
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Still, however, I believe the wikipedia article is talking about something completely else.

http://www.zdnet.com/microsofts-midori-the-m-connection-7000024664/ wrote:
[...] noting that M# (a codename he never uses himself) "should be seen (as) more of a set of extensions to C# — with minimal breaking changes — than a completely new language."


So it's not THE m# that's already avaliable, and the codename M# was probably made up by Mary Jo Foley. Also, while the finished M# the wiki article talks about it being made for web development, the Midori M# is supposed to be an extension to C# providing low-level functionality.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:55 am 
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ratsrock2323 wrote:
I can't seem to access that link...

Sorry about that, seems the forum has issues with certain combinations of chars. I've edited my post to adjust this.

And it would be mighty confusing if MS has several projects named the same but differs significantly. M# should be M# and not something else entirely based on what it's used for... But if it's indeed just a codename then someone made a mistake by naming the codename in such a way that it would be easily confused. The zdnet link however seems to have a more accurate description of what is intended here, hopefully the wiki will be updated with this info as well to avoid future confusion.

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The M# that is mentioned by wikipedia isn't by Microsoft, but by something called Geeks ltd.

So they codenamed it with a name that was already used by a third party. That's all the confusion there is. A solution for the wiki would be to add a disambiguation with links to something like "M# (Microsoft programming language)" and "M# (Geeks ltd. programming language)", but given the MS Programming Language's "M#" codename is still unconfirmed and from the looks of it something Mary Jo Foley came up with, I doubt anybody will bother to update wikipedia with the info anytime soon.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft "Midori"        Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:48 am 
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Ah, very well. At least we got an explanation now :).

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Well, actually the CNET article in the open post links to a Microsoft developer's blog post (for the record it's http://joeduffyblog.com/2013/12/27/csha ... ogramming/), which provides a lot of first hand information on such language.
The name M# itself is never mentioned in the blog post, but that's not important, as it's probably made up by journalists.
So yeah, M# is a set of systems programming extensions for C#.
I'm not sure if writing Midori in M# can be a good idea, it really makes me think of Longhorn.

On the other hand, I don't think Microsoft has now the appeal to launch a completely new product.
It's not the 90's or the early 2000's anymore, when everyone felt the hype for every new Microsoft product.
In my opinion, if they don't build on Windows success, they won't succeed at all.
Furthermore, they should just "give up" on mobile and accept to be the little fish in the market, at least for the next few years.
It would be smarter to put some effort to consolidate their position in the desktop and server market instead.


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I prefer to call that (M#) Top-C#.

So, Roslyn is compiler for that. As I said earlier in 2013 or something - Midori, the Singularity based OS is in development. Let's wait when 8 will be rolled out, then '9', and you'll see Midori in action.

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Could that be the fruit of "Singularity"? It mentions C. And Singularity has .Net AND C.

Singularity has got a low amount of C when compared to C#/Spec#/Sing#
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M# is extended version of C#, probably based again on Spec#, just like in case of Sing#.
And, yes it could have been codenamed better, like Mid# or Mido#

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I'd love to know more about "M#" and to get my hands on it.


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Probably for the next major version of the NT kernel (NT 7/8), we will see the kernel and drivers being rewritten into managed code (C#, M#, etc.)


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So since Singularity is written in C(++/#), I suppose Microsoft is trying to recreate Singularity using a slightly better functioning language and build the kernel with certain extra extensions.

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Yeah, Midori looks to be Singularity with a more commercial aspect and more lower-level code developed in "M#"/C#.


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Probably for the next major version of the NT kernel (NT 7/8), we will see the kernel and drivers being rewritten into managed code (C#, M#, etc.)

Oh I love how you guys come out with all these big claims, with absolutely no argument to back them.
At the moment there's no proof Midori will belong to the NT family or even be marketed as a Windows OS.
My guess is a non-Windows, mostly cloud based OS. It makes sense, because if they move most of the computational load on the cloud, then they can overcome the loss of performance that managed code is going to bring.

And yes, Windows NT won't stay forever. As long as Microsoft stick with traditional computing, they'll be just fine with it for some time.
But if they decide to go for the cloud, it's possible that they won't need it anymore.
Use of a managed system programming language is consistent with the intention of switching to a simpler, easier to maintain OS codebase.

So, let's wait for more news about it, we know too little to make accurate predictions now.
I'm not that into speculation (like what you're reading now).


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bcfk, Midori IS non-Windows OS. And it's succesor to Windows. That's all.

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So since Singularity is written in C(++/#), I suppose Microsoft is trying to recreate Singularity using a slightly better functioning language and build the kernel with certain extra extensions.

Singularity ISN'T written in plain C#. It's written in Sing#, which is an extension of Spec# (itself an extension of C#). And the lowest-level interrupt dispatch code is in C and ASM.
So I'd guess Microsoft will be extending Sing#, with the result being that mystery M#.

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