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 PostPost subject: NeXTSTEP        Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:04 am 
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Has anyone used this innovative OS from the early 90's?

Berners-Lee developed the first web browser on it and it later served as the basis for Mac OS X.

Here is Steve Jobs giving a long demo of it...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=j02b8Fuz73A


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 PostPost subject: OpenStep        Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:46 pm 
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I use openstep on my sparcstation 5.


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 PostPost subject: Re: OpenStep        Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:56 am 
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I use openstep on my sparcstation 5.
I thought openstep was x86 and black hardware only?


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:00 pm 
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I thought openstep was x86 and black hardware only?

Oh no, OPENSTEP and the OpenStep API are platform whores to put it crudely. OpenStep (API) was ported to Solaris, Windows NT, and HP-UX (I believe). Additionally, NeXT DPS (The NeXT Window System) was licensed by IBM for use in AIX v3. Not to mention the porting of NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP (OS) to PA-RISC, SPARC, and x86.
The reasoning behind the rampant temporary acceptance of OPENSTEP had to do with the introduction of X,Motif, and CDE. There was fear among the big iron UNIX vendors that if they did not unite under a simlar interface standard that Windows NT (which was becoming a real threat) would beat them in the server and workstation market because every UNIX & GUI was different. NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP was considered a viable alternative and backup plan if CDE was not agreed upon. But CDE became the standard thus NeXT support was no longer needed.

The next to last post in this thread lists the best SPARCstations and HP boxes to run NeXTSTEP or OPENSTEP on.

This picture specifically details the use of an HP computer running NeXTSTEP during id Software's Quake developemnt in 1996.

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:11 pm 
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Watching that YouTube video, I'm blown away by how similar Mac OS X is to NeXTSTEP, all of 15 years ago. This is especially true of Xcode and Interface Builder. Definitely a smart move by Gil Amelio in purchasing NeXT, if you ask me. Maybe we (and in particular Apple) haven't come that far in OS development after all. So why is Microsoft still so far behind the curve?

And has anyone got OPENSTEP for Windows NT?


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:31 pm 
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The reasoning behind the rampant temporary acceptance of OPENSTEP had to do with the introduction of X,Motif, and CDE. There was fear among the big iron UNIX vendors that if they did not unite under a simlar interface standard that Windows NT (which was becoming a real threat) would beat them in the server and workstation market because every UNIX & GUI was different.

There's more to it. Every UNIX vendor of the time tried to be different from the others, in order to keep clients from switching to another UNIX vendor (see UNIX Wars). Many people believe that was the main cause of Windows NT's quick entrance into the server market. Windows NT, by entering the server market and quickly gaining significant market share, effectively ended the UNIX wars by uniting the UNIX vendors against it.


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i want this os, where can i get it? :S PM!!


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i want this os, where can i get it? :S PM!!


Geez, no need to ask repeatedly... just wait until you have access to the official servers, it's right up there.


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 PostPost subject: NEXT        Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:39 pm 
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I did a little research on Berners-Lee and when I looked into this OS, I was surprised at how little had changed between my iMac and the NEXT cubes from 1989. (well, the price has come down from 6000 a fair amount)

When I looked at the birth of the web on a Next cube I saw that there really is nothing new, they had stylesheets, markup scripts with suppourt for formulas, sheet music, tables and colours.

I've never actually used a NEXT OS before, is it true that the, objective-C code is it, will still run on a modern OS X based system?


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is it true that the objective-C code will still run on a modern OS X based system?


After a recompile; sometimes, depending upon the complexity of the application. A whole lot has changed in the higher level APIs, but the base AppKit and Foundation frameworks have remained semi-backward-compatible..


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 PostPost subject: Re: NeXTSTEP        Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:17 pm 
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google for the 'ultimate' nextstep 3.3 torrent.. there is a copy of it ready to run on just about any qemu capable machine.

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 PostPost subject: Re: NeXTSTEP        Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:11 am 
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OPENSTEP runs wonderfully in Parallels Workstation too, I had one with full accel and tons of apps, including networking and a browser.

In fact I probably still have the disk-image...

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 PostPost subject: Re: NeXTSTEP        Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:43 pm 
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I had a disk image of a working VMWare image if anyone's interested. The rapidshare's probably died by now but I could dig up the files? Holler if you want it.


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 PostPost subject: Re: NeXTSTEP        Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:00 am 
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HOLLA HOLLA NEED SOME VMWARE DISK IMAGE-A


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 PostPost subject: Re: NeXTSTEP        Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:11 am 
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HOLLA HOLLA NEED SOME VMWARE DISK IMAGE-A


Request fulfilled: See post here : viewtopic.php?p=42666#p42666

Let me know how it works for you.


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 PostPost subject: Re: NeXTSTEP        Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:58 pm 
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If you guys have any questions, please feel free to ask me. I'm part of a NeXT user group that knows a lot about NeXT-related info. I also happen to own a copy of almost every version of NeXTstep, OPENSTEP, Rhapsody, and YellowBox. 8)

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 PostPost subject: Re: NeXTSTEP        Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:56 pm 
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You'll also gain insight from the older portions of Scott Anguish's website: http://stepwise.com

I know that I found it helpful.


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 PostPost subject: Re: NeXTSTEP        Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:11 pm 
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Ahh yes, forgot about that one. ^^

Another one you might want to consider would be this one...
http://www.shawcomputing.net/
It includes a whole bunch of great facts and fun for Apple, NeXT, Rhapsody, including others. Check it out. 8)

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 PostPost subject: Re: NeXTSTEP        Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:37 am 
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 PostPost subject: Re: NeXTSTEP        Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:21 pm 
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I'm actually a part of that forum.
They have a great file archive, too.
Definately worth checking out!

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If anyone wants it I have a VMWare Fusion Openstep 4.2 developer install with the Y2K patches and Lighthouse software apps installed. runs great! It also has Enterprise Objects Frameworks 1.1 installed too!


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It doesn't seem to work in VirtualPC. :(

Does anyone know how or is it necessary to use a different virtualization product?


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It doesn't seem to work in VirtualPC. :(

Does anyone know how or is it necessary to use a different virtualization product?


Qemu is *THE* way to go IMHO... it's fast, and you can get the video, networking & sound going.

It does require a little work I suppose...

http://www.superglobalmegacorp.com/inde ... EP_on_Qemu

it's not that hard to build a version that'll have the busmouse support...

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