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Author:  hougtimo [ Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Windows 7 : The Slimming Begins

Ok, I've not really been into the whole "Windows must take only 100mb once installed" scene XP. However I heard about DISM and decided to have a look; and it's really rather good!

I have popped a couple of builds together and will keep my progress up to date. Really I will be highlighting which packages remove functionality / cause problems / cause apps to not work.

In this build I have taken out (7, professional):
* Virtual XP Backend
* Tablet PC Components
* Sticky Notes
* Snipping Tool
* Parental Controls
* Windows Anytime Upgrade
* Music Samples
* XPS Foundation

So far no compatibility problems, and running all spiffy!

Author:  hougtimo [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:24 am ]
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Showstopper 1 : Removing Parental Controls seems to cause issues installing some applications; Firefox.

Author:  angelwolf71885 [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:25 am ]
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i think this could be dangerous even more so then vlite is dangerous..

besides i WANT to buy home and hackupgrade to pro or ult

Author:  hougtimo [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:46 am ]
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Dangerous how exactly?

It's software from Microsoft, to do exactly this? Windows 7 is even componentised to allow this.

I see no problems.

Author:  angelwolf71885 [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:04 am ]
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hougtimo wrote:
Dangerous how exactly?

It's software from Microsoft, to do exactly this? Windows 7 is even componentised to allow this.

I see no problems.



actually its NOT modular...

when you go in to remover ie 8 from seven it just disables access to the files..
the files ARE still there..

kinda like how 7 has built in VM you just need then fe Kb token to enable it..

even in starter ALL components ARE installed just not enabled..
anytime upgrade ACTUALITY works like intended just a little token that enables features
and changes build tags.. NOTHING IS INSTALLED

its all integrated and physicality removing things CAN and WILL break stuff later down the road

be very careful what you delete...

Author:  hougtimo [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:15 am ]
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No, no, no, I'm afraid you're wrong.

Windows 7 is based around packages; atleast for items specfic to each sku.

Author:  angelwolf71885 [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:24 am ]
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hougtimo wrote:
No, no, no, I'm afraid you're wrong.

Windows 7 is based around packages; at least for items specific to each sku.


going from starter to ult takes seconds NO install needed to go to ult
its a TOKEN nothing more...

i can prove it quite easily actually...

when you remove IE 8 the size n the drive doesn't change
when you re-enable IE nothing is downloaded nothing is installed
boom its back...

its just access and permissions nothing more.. im not gonna argue this.. just search for XPmode on this forum and you will see what i say is true

to enable built in VM's its just a small token... the actual vhd for xpmode is a different story.. two different downloads..

Author:  hougtimo [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:35 am ]
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angelwolf71885 wrote:
hougtimo wrote:
No, no, no, I'm afraid you're wrong.

Windows 7 is based around packages; at least for items specific to each sku.


going from starter to ult takes seconds NO install needed to go to ult
its a TOKEN nothing more...

i can prove it quite easily actually...

when you remove IE 8 the size n the drive doesn't change
when you re-enable IE nothing is downloaded nothing is installed
boom its back...

its just access and permissions nothing more.. im not gonna argue this.. just search for XPmode on this forum and you will see what i say is true

to enable built in VM's its just a small token... the actual vhd for xpmode is a different story.. two different downloads..


You're completely missing the point of what I'm saying.

You are correct that once windows is installed, no components are removed if you select them for removal.

What I'm saying, is that 'm never going to use features such as XP mode. Why should I have the background files sat around on my hard drive for it? I don't need them.

Microsoft has taken the time too add these features as packages so they're easily removable BEFORE installation. All I'm doing is taking advantage of that. Hell, they even gave us a utility to do it with!

If you remove before installation, the files do not even get copied. I can prove that to you with the size of a clean Win 7 installation!

Author:  Kenneth [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:46 am ]
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Does this slim version still have VHD boot?

Author:  hougtimo [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:47 am ]
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Windows OCManage wrote:
Does this slim version still have VHD boot?

Yes, thats a feature of the bootloader itself.

Author:  betaluva [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:01 am ]
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angelwolf71885 wrote:
i think this could be dangerous even more so then vlite is dangerous..

besides i WANT to buy home and hackupgrade to pro or ult



how is vlite dangerous?

Author:  TheWahbinator [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:05 am ]
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Probably because of the Service Pack prevention fiasco that occurred during SP1 and SP2. MS cited that vLite was the problem.

Author:  hougtimo [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:09 am ]
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I still wouldn't call it dangerous...

Infact I don't think I'd class any software as dangerous?

Whats the worst than can happen?

Reinstalling windows?

Oh noes!

Author:  angelwolf71885 [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:13 am ]
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there are quite a few things that depend on the resources of IE
sadly like MSN messenger its quaky if ypu dont have the resources

anytime upgrade is needed if you bought home and want pro
if you dont have anytime upgrade then that token you just bought is useless

if you dont need something just disable it.. you never know if you might find a use for it
even removing that stuff you wont save much if anything at all...

your dvd will only shrink by 1 gig at most and your install by 5 gigs..

and you never know if you may break something that a future prog may need..

ive always had issues with lite installs.. even just removing IE things dont work or feel quite right.. certainly more explorer crashes..

Author:  hougtimo [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:19 am ]
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angelwolf71885 wrote:
there are quite a few things that depend on the resources of IE
sadly like MSN messenger its quaky if ypu dont have the resources

anytime upgrade is needed if you bought home and want pro
if you dont have anytime upgrade then that token you just bought is useless

if you dont need something just disable it.. you never know if you might find a use for it
even removing that stuff you wont save much if anything at all...

your dvd will only shrink by 1 gig at most and your install by 5 gigs..

and you never know if you may break something that a future prog may need..

ive always had issues with lite installs.. even just removing IE things dont work or feel quite right.. certainly more explorer crashes..

Well I'm tracing through DLLs etc...

Hyperv & XP mode are definately something I will never use : this computer can't support them. No point in them being there.

Oh, and WLM works fine for me on Windows 7E

Author:  angelwolf71885 [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:38 am ]
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you do know 7E is just 7 with IE pre disabled its NOT removed at all..
there is a pack of some kind that again has a simple token that allows access to IE

just search the forum for windows 7 E you will find it

o and 7E will NEVER see RTM production
it will be normal 7 with an ie redirect screen to a download the browser of your choice screen

and the hyper V is part of the boot manager
you can create a VHD before even installing 7 and install it to the VHD

ill link if you like..

also the hyper V is quite useful if you are here because you can easily boot LH builds
or vista r what have you without a format or partisan shrink..

i uno i still think you are playing with fire... but GL

Author:  hougtimo [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:44 am ]
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angelwolf71885 wrote:
you do know 7E is just 7 with IE pre disabled its NOT removed at all..
there is a pack of some kind that again has a simple token that allows access to IE

just search the forum for windows 7 E you will find it

o and 7E will NEVER see RTM production
it will be normal 7 with an ie redirect screen to a download the browser of your choice screen

and the hyper V is part of the boot manager
you can create a VHD before even installing 7 and install it to the VHD

ill link if you like..

also the hyper V is quite useful if you are here because you can easily boot LH builds
or vista r what have you without a format or partisan shrink..

i uno i still think you are playing with fire... but GL

As a professional in my field I know exactly what I'm playing with. I've been using reduction tools wince Windows 2000...I know how Windows works from the insides out. I can guarantee, I will not break anyuthing.

And if I do break something...the worst case is I'll have to re-install. Big deal.

Author:  J.Byrne [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:11 am ]
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It'l be good when we start seeing Windows 7 Embedded.

Author:  hougtimo [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:37 am ]
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J.Byrne wrote:
It'l be good when we start seeing Windows 7 Embedded.

Agreed!

Author:  TheWahbinator [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:22 am ]
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There's a good reason WES sticks with XP codebase and that's the scalability perspective. Think about it, the most common embedded systems are 1/4 of the size and power of standard systems, so they need something that can perform well and I'm afraid Vista and up can't do that job.

Author:  J.Byrne [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:29 am ]
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Agreed, and it seems like Xp would be quite good in taking over that niche little market DOS was still clinging too, but it still would be nice...

Author:  hougtimo [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:32 am ]
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Microsoft already said 7 would be the codebase for the next embedded version of windows didn't they? I'm sure I read that on the front page of neowin last month,..

Author:  OG [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:33 am ]
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angelwolf71885 wrote:
i think this could be dangerous even more so then vlite is dangerous..

besides i WANT to buy home and hackupgrade to pro or ult


I disagree. Vlite, and Nlite, work just fine provided you have a few braincells and can read. I've got a "fully" funtional Vista Ultimate on a 700mb cd, takes about 7-10 minutes to install thanks to the faster read times for cd's and the fact it isn't installing crap I never use. I couldn't live without sticky notes and the snipping tool though. :D

Author:  QuiescentWonder [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:44 am ]
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Faster than what? They read at roughly half the speed DVDs do.

Besides, nLite and vLite do cause problems sometimes. It's not really something up for debate, that's just how it is. Of course you can create a fully functioning install using it but there is a chance that you'll remove a component that is required for an update or some other software you're going to use. Aside from that, there have been bugs in the software that cause problems with installs. Just look at how many updates to the software there have been.

Author:  angelwolf71885 [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:49 am ]
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OG wrote:

I disagree. Vlite, and Nlite, work just fine provided you have a few braincells and can read. I've got a "fully" funtional Vista Ultimate on a 700mb cd, takes about 7-10 minutes to install thanks to the faster read times for cd's and the fact it isn't installing crap I never use. I couldn't live without sticky notes and the snipping tool though. :D


oddly vistas sku's are all separate you have to actuarially upgrade to go to the next level
in 7 it doesn't work that way its all one with different stuff disabled

not to mention an install like that agilest for vista has issue with service packs

agilest with 7 you can make the stuff you dont need unavailable
you really arnt going to save much space in 7...

in xp the space hog was language packs
but they were only on the CD you had to manually install them

the sniping tool is very useful you dont need shortcuts to git a compact screen of a certain area of the screen

WMP can go... but might break certain codecs
coerce CCC or klite can handle that

updates are the issue and other installed progs are the issue

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