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 PostPost subject: Windows Beta Testing Program        Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:26 am 
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How can I participate in the Windows Beta Testing Program (Not the Windows Ecosystem!)?

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Beta Testing Program        Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:00 pm 
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i think its private invitation only :(

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Beta Testing Program        Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:40 pm 
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Plus, the only build they've gotten is build 7000, the same as the rest of the world...so it doesn't seem to be that big of a deal this time around....


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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Beta Testing Program        Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 3:39 pm 
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But they also got 7068, no?

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Daniel1981 wrote:
But they also got 7068, no?

No. Only a handpicked crowd got it.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Beta Testing Program        Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:16 pm 
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I would be willing to bet that the FileTransfer Manager Screenshot of 7068 from "Connect" was a fake, there have been zero indications from anyone else in the program that anyone has 7068 officially and no bugs about it have shown up in the connect bug database (which is common to all MS Connect Windows 7 Testers, for example the 7060/7061 bugs were there)


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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Beta Testing Program        Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:09 am 
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Nah, there is no point in being in the beta testing program unless you really want to report bugs. All they have is build 7000.


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Nah, there is no point in being in the beta testing program unless you really want to report bugs. All they have is build 7000.

Yeah, I did. I even reported a few through "Send Feedback", but now it doesn't make sense to report errors, since all the testers have is build 7000, which is almost 4 months now.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Beta Testing Program        Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:56 am 
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The only way to get (almost or all) builds (ever released) is by getting your enterprise company to enter TAP (Technology Adoption Program). Unless you're in TAP, there's no way you can get into other builds unless it's leaked by someone. That's an official response from a Microsoft staff at my place.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Beta Testing Program        Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:19 pm 
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I would suggest that it is partially random. But you can enhance your chances by joining the Microsoft pages (Technet forum: Connect etc and contributing meaningful comments. Even helping with the answers can be more than useful. Also, not so easy to achieve unless you have an insider job, is to become a FULL partner. This I was able to do through my employment back in the pre XP days. Another "in", perhaps, is to have a Technet subscription. This I did also. It is costly but leads to the chance to try all Microsoft's software, totally free, with licences.
Maybe because of this, or maybe someone in Microsoft selection through a dart and it hit the piece of paper with my name on it, but I was selected for the XP beta test. Since then, via Email, I have been offered it for subsequent releases of OS's and other Microsoft software. - So it is "inherited"

Needless to say, it is important to be seen giving suggestions and help from then on. Currently, browsing with the pseudo I use, I have 2678 posts. I am sure most long life Beta testers even exceed that.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Beta Testing Program        Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:25 pm 
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Another "in", perhaps, is to have a Technet subscription. This I did also. It is costly but leads to the chance to try all Microsoft's software, totally free, with licences.

No, having a TechNet subscription only allows you to get those public builds few days earlier than the public release date, that's all, no extra builds offered to you. At least it's with my subscription.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Beta Testing Program        Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:46 pm 
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The only way you can get non-commercial non-public betas are either by joining TAP, and that doesn't give you access to all the betas, just a selected ones - and to work for Microsoft as an internal developer. You can also have some very good contacts within Microsoft that trusts you so much that they can share some with you.

There is a reason why Microsoft doesn't share every piece of beta "into the wild". Many betas are internal ones to test specific hardware scenarios, some are feature betas that are tested against an internal user group, and some are mere internal "micro-milestones" to fix certain bugs and cement certain features that will stay for the final product. Without any skilled knowledge in the design of Windows these builds would be completely useless to the ordinary Joe like most people on this forum. Only when the development reached certain points builds are released to TAP members, Connect members or the public.

Asking Microsoft to become a tester will be ignored (I know this from personal experience), when Microsoft wants new blood into the development team they will look for it - first within the company then outside. So unless you're some kind of genius or have friends in high places you won't get a chance. But if you do want to take a stab it then you need to know quite a lot first. You need to be very proficient in the PC architecture, that includes all subsystems. You need to either be a very good programmer or a very good troubleshooter (that doesn't mean running some "PC Fixit" app and track down registry errors or missing files) with a knack for finding potential problems in the code. Of course there are several "branches" of developers at Microsoft - some do DirectX, some do subsystems, some do I/O etc, but all of them know what they are doing and they are good at it :).

If you fit these requirements then make sure you get some good references from prior work. Be ready to show some of your own work as well. And then nag and nag at Microsoft, keep sending in resumes and try to get to know people at Microsoft (not necessarily at HQ, but at any Microsoft branch). And be prepared to move. If you are younger than 20 then forget it, they won't hire you even if you happen to be a cross-breed between Bill Gates, Kevin Mitnick, Steve Jobs and Linus Torvalds.

Usually, if you're good enough Microsoft will most likely find you in some way. I tried to get into Microsoft for years and even with prior experience with betas and development they didn't get my eyes on me until I was an intern at Redmond. Only then did I get the connections needed to open up a dialogue about *some* kind of work. It's hard but if you're persistent enough (and fill the qualifications) then you'll get in eventually. But wanting betas isn't enough. Beta testing is very hard work and doesn't mean you sit around playing all day. I don't know how many miles of reports and dull testing I've done in my days.... It's *very* boring... trust me :).

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows Beta Testing Program        Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:08 pm 
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Wholeheartedly agreed. I am 75 years old, in retirement. My wife and visiting family are thoroughlyp***ed off with the hours I spend, day and night, sitting at my computers. I have slacked of enormously of late and, even if I should be offered anything with (Windows 8??) I will most definitely opt out!


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