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 PostPost subject: What do you think...        Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:35 pm 
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We will see within the next 20 years for Windows?

I see this:

2010: Windows 7 RTM's and brings a brand new GUI
2012: WinFS is released
2013: MinWin is brought back from the dead :-P
2017: Windows NT 8 is released
2020: The NT Kernel goes Obsolete
2025: Microsoft goes UNIX
2028: Windows 9 releases, based off Darwin or Linux

^This is the 20 years I want Microsoft to do. What do *you* want Microsoft to do within the next 20 years??

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:38 pm 
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people: please understand: WinFS will

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Namronia wrote:
people: please understand: WinFS will

never

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How do you know? Things change.


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:15 pm 
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happy dude wrote:
Namronia wrote:
people: please understand: WinFS will

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How do you know? Things change.


well, just a feeling because it stood on the homepage of it before microsoft took it down 2 days ago...


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Even if winfs releases, it would be branded with a different name
that is if ms gets through the whole process to create a stable version of it. MS could only get pass research projects of it, but not employ it into real world comupter evironments.


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:33 am 
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WinFS isn't so much a product as an unreachable goal;
In other worlds this puesdo-platform is what Microsoft's goal for computer use.
I have a little hope that Windows 7 will be released in December of 2009

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 PostPost subject: Re: What do you think...        Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:58 pm 
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WildEye001 wrote:
We will see within the next 20 years for Windows?

I see this:

2010: Windows 7 RTM's and brings a brand new GUI
2012: WinFS is released
2013: MinWin is brought back from the dead :-P
2017: Windows NT 8 is released
2020: The NT Kernel goes Obsolete
2025: Microsoft goes UNIX
2028: Windows 9 releases, based off Darwin or Linux

^This is the 20 years I want Microsoft to do. What do *you* want Microsoft to do within the next 20 years??


I dont think WinFS will release. I hope, but I dont think it'll happen...


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Wouldn't it be more appropriate if Microsoft released its own new kernel instead of turning to UNIX? I've heard Microsoft's research division is working on some sort of new kernel called "Singularity", although I think that is no more than a fleeting idea on some Microsoft whitepaper stashed somewhere.


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:29 am 
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It's time to trash windows nt already, development of nt started back in 1988 and completed with version 3.1 in 1993.

Apple switch platform back in 2000, it's time fore MS to switch too.


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I think NT will eventually have to die out because the world will demand something newer. The NT kernel by itself hasn't changed greatly for a long time.
I doubt MS would ever change over to darwin or linux they would lose a good chunk of compatibility, this really prohibits going to UNIX at all I think they will come up with something new or maybe do an apple and buy another company and integrate the ideas.
Singularity maybe the way they go but it seems to be more of a simple research project then a completely new OS but you never know what the future holds


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XX55XX wrote:
Wouldn't it be more appropriate if Microsoft released its own new kernel instead of turning to UNIX? I've heard Microsoft's research division is working on some sort of new kernel called "Singularity", although I think that is no more than a fleeting idea on some Microsoft whitepaper stashed somewhere.


Actually, Singularity is more than an idea on whitepaper. They recently released a public SDK for it.

Anyway, the NT kernel needs to be replaced. They need to start fresh, using a new codebase.


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they would lose a good chunk of compatibility
Apple was able to create some sort of emulation for older applications (Classic environment) so it should me no problem for MS to include something similar as well...


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I feel that Microsoft will become another proprietary distributer of free software within the next ten years. Free software is the way forward.

I also have a feeling that Windows will be based on the BSD kernel, not Linux.

Or Microsoft might simply die off. *NIX is gaining popularity like a falling snowball, and I reckon it's entirely possible that Windows might just drop off the radar. It'll start off with PC manufacturers starting to offer options: either Windows, Linux, or unpartitioned; and more and more people will start opting for Linux.

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I can't see Microsoft using BSD/*nix any time soon. It'd be a last resort for them.

It'd just make it a lot easier for people to switch away from Windows.

Really, they can't move away from the NT kernel. Doing so, would lose some, if not all, compatibility, and pave the way to more users looking elsewhere. Compatibility is the main thing tying people to Windows at the moment. They can't use other OSes, because they need to run something that requires Windows.

Really, I don't think the NT Kernel is dead at all. It's simply not been looked after enough, and all it needs is a bit of maintenance work and optimisation. I think this is what Microsoft is attempting to do with 7, take what exists already, and polish it up. Windows 7 will be nothing groundbreaking, or contain anything that hasn't already been included in Windows (even if only in an alpha/development build). It seems to be Microsoft's intention to take a step back from trying to innovate and just give things a clean and bring everything up to date, and include some of the great concepts they abandoned in the past due to time constraints.

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:32 pm 
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I'll do 30 years, but skip Service Packs.

2009: Windows 7 Beta 2 is released without any larger changes from Vista.
2010: Windows 7 is released
2011: First MinWin customization tools (something like Pe Builder) appear. (not by MS)
2012: First betas of Windows 7.1 leaked
2013: Windows 7.1 goes to Beta 2
late 2013/early 2014: Windows 7.1 gets close to RC
middle 2014: Windows 7.1 RC1 leaked!
early/middle 2015: Windows 7.1 released to the public. 64-bit only.
late 2015: Windows 7.1 cracked. Pirates rejoice.
2016: USB 4.0 driver for Windows 7 and 7.1 released.
2017: Windows 8 Alpha 1 is there, it's installable online from the MS server, or using a new disc format. It's 3GB in the smallest setup, and 10GB in the largest.
2018: Windows 8 Beta 1 is leaked, finally removing all DOS compatibility
that was in 7.1 (or what was left of it)
late 2018: Signularity OS 3.0 released to the public.
2019: Windows 8 Beta 2 leaked, bringing a new interface.
late 2019: We found out Windows 8 will be the last Windows version.
2020: Windows 8 beta 3 leaked, removing 16-bit compatibility and adding USB 4.1 compatiblity; Windows 7 support ends.
2021: Windows 8 RC1 leaked, cleaning the UI up; Rumors about MS working on a Windows compatiblity layer for Signularity
early 2022: Windows 8 RC2 leaked.
middle 2022: Windows 8 pre-RTM leaked.
late 2022: Windows 8 released.
early 2023: Windows 7.1 support ends; critical updates released until middle 2023
middle 2023: Windows 7.1 updates end.
late 2024: Signularity Windows Compatibility Layer (SWCL) RC1 released to private beta testers
2025: For the 50th anniversary of Microsoft, SWCL is released. It is compatible with 32-bit and 64-bit programs.
2026: 32-bit processors obsolete, only 5% of PC users still use them actively.
2027: Windows is being rewritten from scratch; Signularity support ends.
2030: Windows 9 Alpha 1, combining Windows and Signularity, is released; it's way more stable and secure, though it breaks compatiblity with 15% of Windows software.
2032: Windows 8 support ends; Windows 9 beta 1 released.
2033: Windows 9 beta 2 released. Microsoft says "we need 3 betas and 3 RCs for this version, it's just way too buggy for a massive core change"... or something
2034: Windows 9 beta 3 released.
late 2034: Windows 9 RC0 released.
2035: Windows 9 RC1 released.
Jan 2036: Windows 9 RC2 released.
late 2036: Windows 9 released to the public.
2037: The migration problems arise.
2038: Windows 9 SP1 released, fixing compatibility with the most important programs.

Whew. Here i go.


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2011: Windows 7 released.
2012: Windows 8 is announced as being on the drawing boards. The new OS will be based around a new kernel that will be written from scratch.
2015: Windows Kernel NT2 is named and started as a new project.
2017: Windows Kernel NT2 has an M1 release and a public demonstration, in the form of a basic Windows 3.1-lookalike.
2018: Windows 8 M1 is released, based on the new kernel. It only includes the most basic features, for the tme being.
2020: Windows 8 is released to the general public, based entirely on the new kernel. There is a basic thin-client version made available, containing only the kernel and the shell. Designed for mass-upgrades for networks.
2021: Microsoft drops support for Vista and Windows 7.
2025: 83% of the market now belongs to Linux and other such systems. Windows is becoming obsolete.
2030: Microsoft retires the Windows brand, and from then on only produces office software, to run on Linux.

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God... I hope they dont ever retire Windows... I wouldnt use a computer again :P


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2009: 7 beta 2 is avaible as download
2010: 7 beta 2 refresh is avaible
2011: microsoft restarts windows 7 under the new codename "NewKernel"
2015: Microsoft buys Google Epic
2016: Windows NK RTM gets leaked by release groups
2017: Windows NK SP1 is released, it has a totally new gui integrated
2018: microsoft releases a working antivirus program
2020: google buys googlezon
2022: microsoft is starting releasing singularity as totally new os
2030: windows 3.1 is not installed in bill gates' coffee machine anymore
2032: all servers use singularity server, linux dies
2040: linux is totally away from every market
2042: microsoft restarts the windows project
2050: microosft sells windows '50 home basic, prem., pro, server, adv server,...
2078: windows '50 support ends


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2009:Microsoft emails leaked revealing Microsoft's view of the public
2010:Windows 7 canceled, replaced with a cut down version similar to vist, XP, 2000.
2011:Windows 7 is held as the Windows ME of the 2010
2012:Windows 8 announced
2013:Apple dominates most of market
2014:Windows 8 leaked, most of the code is strikingly similar to linux
2015:nothing
2016:Microsoft is sued by apple for copyright infringement
2017:Microsoft is sued by US government for bribery and antitrust
2018:Microsoft is sued by various consumers for false advertising
2019:Balmer steps down, later beaten on his way home
2020:Apple dominates 3/4 of the market, Linux dominates 3/8, Microsoft dominates 5/8
2021:Microsoft pulls out of the gaming market
2022:Microsoft is sued by the free software foundation for copyleft infringement
2023:Windows 8 is released and is considered appalling
2024:nothing
2025:nothing
2026:Microsoft pulls out of consumer market
2027:Microsoft is sued by Apple once more
2028:Microsoft is out of buisiness! HALLELUJAH!


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st.alfonzo wrote:
2009:Microsoft emails leaked revealing Microsoft's view of the public
2010:Windows 7 canceled, replaced with a cut down version similar to vist, XP, 2000.
2011:Windows 7 is held as the Windows ME of the 2010
2012:Windows 8 announced
2013:Apple dominates most of market
2014:Windows 8 leaked, most of the code is strikingly similar to linux
2015:nothing
2016:Microsoft is sued by apple for copyright infringement
2017:Microsoft is sued by US government for bribery and antitrust
2018:Microsoft is sued by various consumers for false advertising
2019:Balmer steps down, later beaten on his way home
2020:Apple dominates 3/4 of the market, Linux dominates 3/8, Microsoft dominates 5/8
2021:Microsoft pulls out of the gaming market
2022:Microsoft is sued by the free software foundation for copyleft infringement
2023:Windows 8 is released and is considered appalling
2024:nothing
2025:nothing
2026:Microsoft pulls out of consumer market
2027:Microsoft is sued by Apple once more
2028:Microsoft is out of buisiness! HALLELUJAH!

I take it you're an Apple user of some sort?

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I think theres somthing people never really consider with windows. Linux is great, but its because there constantly striving to beat microsoft, an this is why each new os is better than its predecessor, now without this, whats the motivation to make new os's?
I like linux, dont get me wrong, but i dont think it will ever be the dominant o.s's


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I think theres somthing people never really consider with windows. Linux is great, but its because there constantly striving to beat microsoft, an this is why each new os is better than its predecessor, now without this, whats the motivation to make new os's?
I like linux, dont get me wrong, but i dont think it will ever be the dominant o.s's


So every new Microsoft OS isn't better? Have you used a desktop Linux distro lately? They aren't exactly user friendly unless all you want to do is browse the Internet, and that's only if it comes with drivers for your hardware... and they are working OOB. Everyone doesn't want to know how to compile their own software... hundreds of distros... guh. I use it because I already had a pretty good grasp on the DOS command-line, it took three or four days to be able to manage my way through most of my problems. The problems I had are problems that most people would likely NEVER figure out without some kind of help.

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You say that as if creating stable software is some magical achievement.


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I'm sure that if Microsoft starts going bankrupt, Apple will pull them out of the ground. Microsoft did it for Apple so it's the least they could do.

Also, I've found that Windows always seems to work if you have good hardware and stable drivers. Without these is when you start getting those BSODs. As long as Microsoft keeps a fairly stable OS, which I'm sure they will, and the hardware companies continue to make stable drivers and bigger hard drives, then Windows won't lose.

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I think theres somthing people never really consider with windows. Linux is great, but its because there constantly striving to beat microsoft, an this is why each new os is better than its predecessor, now without this, whats the motivation to make new os's?
I like linux, dont get me wrong, but i dont think it will ever be the dominant o.s's


So every new Microsoft OS isn't better? Have you used a desktop Linux distro lately? They aren't exactly user friendly unless all you want to do is browse the Internet, and that's only if it comes with drivers for your hardware... and they are working OOB. Everyone doesn't want to know how to compile their own software... hundreds of distros... guh. I use it because I already had a pretty good grasp on the DOS command-line, it took three or four days to be able to manage my way through most of my problems. The problems I had are problems that most people would likely NEVER figure out without some kind of help.

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if ms gets through the whole process to create a stable version of it


You say that as if creating stable software is some magical achievement.

No, Each microsoft o.s is better than its predecessor too, just for a different reason, microsoft has to make better os's otherwise it doesnt make any money or power. And i agree, linux is about as user friendly as a D.I.Y prostate exam...


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I find a lot of people who say that Linux sucks as a client OS but is excellent at being free server software.

I think Windows Server 2003 is good server software and I got it for free.

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