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 PostPost subject: Longhorn on real hardware        Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:27 pm 
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I haven't done this yet, but, have you guys have any problems install Microsoft Windows NT 6.0.4074.idx02.040425-1535 / Windows Longhorn Build 4074.

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I never had trouble installing Longhorn build 4074 on real hardware, just remember that Longhorn doesn't support SATA natively and doesn't support HD Audio. Infact, I once installed Longhorn on an ASUS EeePC 1000H, where everything worked fine, except Realtek HD Audio, and I was unable to set up my internet connection because it looks like Longhorn lacks support for WPA2. Everything else was fine, including the integrated Intel GMA 950 and Aero. Then, I tried to install Longhorn on my newer HP 630 laptop with a Dual-Core Celeron and GMA 4500MHD graphics, but it didn't work because of the SATA HDD, which caused BSODs. Also, keep in mind that I installed most of drivers by setting up compatibility mode for Windows XP.


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That desktop should be fine running longhorn, provided it has IDE drives. If audio doesn't work, use the csdversion change by leomate, and install msuaa using XP compat. viewtopic.php?t=17038

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I can remember telling about the MSUAA Patch + CSDVersion change which allows longhorn to support HD Audio.
I was also able to connect WPA2 using longhorn.

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I've gotten aero to work on real hardware on build 4074

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@yourepicfailure Yeah, I've heard of the HD Audio update, but actually I've never tried it. And how did you manage to connect with WPA2? IIRC Longhorn natively supports only up to WPA. Did you use any third party program?


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I, myself, was able a couple of times get Longhorn working on real hardware. Just make sure to use a somewhat period correct setup.

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I got 4074 x64 to work on my SATA Optiplex 380 seamlessly. The only issue was installing the graphics card and audio drivers. (Still can't find those :P)

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I've ran Longhorn on real hardware in the past, Your Dell Dimension 1100 should suffice since I ran build 5112 on an Optiplex GX260 with the same specs aside from the CPU which was a 2.4 GHz Pentium 4, The only issue I see is you might not be able to get DWM/Aero to work on the integrated Intel Extreme Graphics 2 GPU since it's limited to DirectX 6.3 level functions and IIRC Pre-reset DWM requires a DirectX 8 GPU, Your PC should take a compatible PCI video card from what I've read.

My Dell Inspiron 8200 laptop took build 3718 pretty nicely and that has similar specs to your Dimension desktop, So yeah, Your setup should pass as long as you use a PATA/EIDE Hard Drive.

Recommended Pre-Reset DWM video cards (from my experience and what I've heard) include: ATi Radeon 8500-x1900, and nVidia Geforce 4Ti through 8000 series, I've gotten 5112's DWM to work on a Geforce FX 5200 AGP Card, So if you'd like to replace the video card, There are my suggestions.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Longhorn on real hardware        Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:28 am 
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Valerio - If it has WinXP, then it's definitley IDE. Also I have no control over the BIOS for a PS/2 reason.

yourepicfaluire- IDE is right.

BobPony- I have WinXPHE drivers, will they work in WinLH4074.idx02.040425-1535

Windows OS- Installing it on a partition L:\, (Vista on V:\, XP on C:\)

gabegriggs1- That won't help, as it will be 4074 x86, not x64.

MSUser2013- Hmm... I want Desktop Window Manager working so I might buy the ATi Radoen x1900 to replace my Intel graphics controller,
I've tested DX9, DX8 and DX7 on my controller, (but it dosen't support Shadow Model) but will get a ATi Radeon x1900 in the future.
4074 x86, is based off 3718 x86 so it would be almost the same in the code.

So far it's been good, my whole family (I'm 8), doesn't use laptops, but my mom has a iBook with a dead hard drive. She plans to replace the hard drive, but it takes 3 HOURS. My dad also has a laptop, but it doesn't work at all.

EDIT: With a USB Mouse, will longhorn be able to use it? (During setup)

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Some early Longhorn builds have an interesting bug.

The PE has to be booted from a CD/DVD, otherwise, setup will crash.

BTW: Some suggestions for graphics.

For pre-reset builds, any graphics card that has a XP driver and supports DirectX 9+ should work.

For (pre-)beta 1, use Radeon 9000 series and GeForce FX 5000 series.

For beta 2+, use Radeon 9000/X1000 series, GeForce FX5000/6000 series, MCP51 integrated graphics, 945G integrated graphics.

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These cards has the WDDM/LDDM drivers built in to the OS.
And I have test the Radeon 9550 and GeForce FX5200, both work perfectly in Longhorn.

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It's 4074.idx02.040425-1535 x86 (if you don't know what x86 means), 32-bit.
Hence the build number, the compilation date is: 3:35p.m. on 25th of April, 2004.
I can't use a CD-ROM because their all 702MB.
We don't have DVD-Rs or DVD-RWs.
DX9 Intel Graphics (Not the original Celeron, but the latest one in 2006, Feb).
I have the drivers on XP Home SP3 x86

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C:/: WinXP Home SP3 x86
L:/: (planned) Longhorn 4074 Pro x86
V:/: (planned) Vista SP2 x86.

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You can install longhorn 4074 on real hardware, but why would you install a buggy piece of crap on an actual machine?


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 PostPost subject: Re: Longhorn on real hardware        Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:06 pm 
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Why not? There is nothing wrong with playing with an old spare computer... I'd recommend upgrading the machine to at least 1 GB of ram though, to have a bit more wiggle room.

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I'm not giving up, PeterFalk.

I just lost interest in Longhorn. Everything has long been re-tested. Nobody merges really rare assemblies into the network, although they have people, and from this forum.


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Oh, maybe someone somewhere will give you some old build that was never tested

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While in tech school, i had Longhorn completely installed with everything working. Albeit was circa 2005-6 ish...


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I tried to launch the Longhorn Server 16497 x64 and x86 beta installer. BSOD 7E appears on computers with an i3, i5 processor:
Longhorn x64 BSOD 7E on ThinkPad X220:
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Longhorn x86 BSOD 7E on ThinkPad X220:
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Longhorn x86 BSOD 7E on ASUS P8H61-M LE R2 (WinDbg log): https://pastebin.com/JVxP6JsB

On older x86 (e.g. VIA C7) or x64 (e.g. Core2Duo) computers, the 7E error is missing and the Longhorn installer starts.


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Beta12 wrote:
I tried to launch the Longhorn Server 16497 x64 and x86 beta installer. BSOD 7E appears on computers with an i3, i5 processor:
Longhorn x64 BSOD 7E on ThinkPad X220:
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Longhorn x86 BSOD 7E on ThinkPad X220:
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Longhorn x86 BSOD 7E on ASUS P8H61-M LE R2 (WinDbg log): https://pastebin.com/JVxP6JsB

On older x86 (e.g. VIA C7) or x64 (e.g. Core2Duo) computers, the 7E error is missing and the Longhorn installer starts.


0x7B = INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE

This means you have your disk controller set to SATA. Set it to IDE and it should boot just fine ("Disk Mode: Legacy" on the X220)

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0x7B = INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE

This means you have your disk controller set to SATA. Set it to IDE and it should boot just fine ("Disk Mode: Legacy" on the X220)

Read my post carefully again. I have a 7E, not a 7B error 8-) 8-)


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Is this from a DVD or usb?
Does it crash immediately, or does it show something before it crashes? Does it even get to the loading screen?
This is most likely a driver / hardware issue.
You can try older gfx cards and disable integrated graphics, disabling USB, unplugging as many devices as you can, using an IDE drive, disabling acpi / power management, disabling anything else that's accessible from the bios, etc.
Hopefully someone else can provide more specific troubleshooting steps, I'm not personally too familiar with PE boot issues.


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MrBurgerKing wrote:
Is this from a DVD or usb?
Does it crash immediately, or does it show something before it crashes? Does it even get to the loading screen?
This is most likely a driver / hardware issue.
You can try older gfx cards and disable integrated graphics, disabling USB, unplugging as many devices as you can, using an IDE drive, disabling acpi / power management, disabling anything else that's accessible from the bios, etc.
Hopefully someone else can provide more specific troubleshooting steps, I'm not personally too familiar with PE boot issues.

I boot from DVD:
  • Press any key to boot from CD or DVD...
  • Windows is loading files... with progress bar
  • sometimes I see bootscreen © Microsoft Corporation with green progress bar but only for a second

ACPI must be probably enabled (screenshot from VMware):
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