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 PostPost subject: Vista is an underrated OS.        Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 2:58 pm 
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Anyone agree with me that Vista is underrated as an OS?

I researched the reasons a while back and I came to a few conclusions as to the reason it garnered so much hate from people at the time as well as today.

I got back the following results:

Poor Hardware at the time
People trying to upgrade on insufficient hardware, and the fact there was some bad quality productions made at the time of Vist's release on the hardware front.

Development Problems
The fact the development was reset as well as the fact they bumped the minimum system requirements up, when Vista Capable PC's had been released, obviously caused a bit of a problem for the developers and users.

Can't put up with change
People can't put up with change or such in general and hated Vista because it was different to what had been in use for the last 6 years or so.

Adding to the above
SP1 fixed nearly all the problems and boosted the OS, but everyone had given up by then and written off Vista.

If there's any other reasons - I don't have a lot of time right now to make this post best I can - feel free to state them.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Vista is an underrated OS.        Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 3:42 pm 
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I completely agree, There is nothing wrong with Vista. What ruined the experience was those stupid OEMs that thought they could get away with porting XP drivers, Shipping outdated hardware with Vista, And dumping a bunch of crapware on to it

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 PostPost subject: Re: Vista is an underrated OS.        Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:17 pm 
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A small point of note though: there was also all the hype around Longhorn since early 2003. In the end, many people felt that Vista was a letdown compared to what Longhorn promised.

While I do agree that OEMs help ruin the experience sometimes (they made me have a poor opinion of Windows 7, of all versions), Vista RTM was actually quite buggy. The 'buggy' part was solved with SP1, but first impressions are always everything. Even if XP RTM was quite slow and less stable when compared to XP SP3, it impressed many people at first sight because it was more stable and easier to use than Windows 98 (which most people here used at the time).

In the end, my opinion on Vista is that while the RTM was like a '.0' release (which it was), SP2 can hold it's own and even surpass Windows 7 (in some situations).

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Couldn't agree more to what you've said. I've tested some time ago Vista with SP2 on my entry-level laptop with 2 GB RAM and a Dual-Core Celeron and it ran as fast as Windows 7 and I didn't encouter any errors or bugs. So, yes, the problem was with hardware at that time, just compare XP and Vista minimum requirements, expecially RAM and graphics, there's been a big jump with Vista, and most computers of that time probably featured only 512 MB RAM, which is barely good for doing basic tasks with Vista, so upgrading was not a good choice for everyone, while buying a new Vista capable PC was. And that's why later people thought Windows 7 was better than Vista, just because when Windows 7 shipped basically every PC was now Vista capable *hehe* ... Windows 7 is just a polished Vista with some improvements there, some improvements here, the speed is almost the same, but unexperienced users thought that Vista was crap and 7 was a miracle.


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Couldn't agree more to what you've said. I've tested some time ago Vista with SP2 on my entry-level laptop with 2 GB RAM and a Dual-Core Celeron and it ran as fast as Windows 7 and I didn't encouter any errors or bugs. So, yes, the problem was with hardware at that time, just compare XP and Vista minimum requirements, expecially RAM and graphics, there's been a big jump with Vista, and most computers of that time probably featured only 512 MB RAM, which is barely good for doing basic tasks with Vista, so upgrading was not a good choice for everyone, while buying a new Vista capable PC was. And that's why later people thought Windows 7 was better than Vista, just because when Windows 7 shipped basically every PC was now Vista capable *hehe* ... Windows 7 is just a polished Vista with some improvements there, some improvements here, the speed is almost the same, but unexperienced users thought that Vista was crap and 7 was a miracle.

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I've tested Windows Vista Business SP1 x64 on 8x Xeon server with 1024GB of ram some time ago. Although it recognised only 2 cpus and 128 GB of ram, it worked like a charm.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Vista is an underrated OS.        Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:40 pm 
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Absolutely truthful what you said, Valerio.
I actually made a blog entry on another site asking the substantial differences, besides supposed performance improvements, between Vista SP2 and 7 SP1.

Not a single person out of around 12 people have been able to answer with a proper response, other than TheKawaiiDesu, who basically said there was very little difference.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Vista is an underrated OS.        Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:19 pm 
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I've only tried Vista SP2 and it hadn't any problems.
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People trying to upgrade on insufficient hardware, and the fact there was some bad quality productions made at the time of Vist's release on the hardware front.

I also think it's because some computers manufacters released crappy PCs (you know, all those laptops with Windows Vista Basic) which were sluggish and froze all the time, and people blame the OS.
Another reason could be less compatibility with older apps.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Vista is an underrated OS.        Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:26 pm 
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Poor Hardware at the time
People trying to upgrade on insufficient hardware, and the fact there was some bad quality productions made at the time of Vist's release on the hardware front.


What the hell does "bad quality productions" mean? Further, duh, you can't magically make people buy a new computer. There were many machines that were labelled, "Vista Ready!" and "Vista Capable", that end users assumed meant "100% ready to upgrade to Windows Vista". Personally, I'm still stuck supporting an HP Pavilion a1610n that came with Vista. Fair enough, right? Except it came with 1GB of RAM... with all the resident software from the drivers, and other crap that came OOB, Vista was using ~850/1024 mb. Not fun, and not a brilliant move on the OEM's part either.

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The fact the development was reset as well as the fact they bumped the minimum system requirements up, when Vista Capable PC's had been released, obviously caused a bit of a problem for the developers and users.


You're repeating yourself.

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People can't put up with change or such in general and hated Vista because it was different to what had been in use for the last 6 years or so.


Duh. Not everyone has the attitude of a power user. Even if a process is extremely elongated, and could be simplified into one or two steps, you will still get people moaning at you because you "broke their workflow". This just happens to be how non-power users are. "It's always been done that way, let's not break it and stick to tradition."

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 PostPost subject: Re: Vista is an underrated OS.        Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:47 pm 
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The hardware wasn't poor, howerver many capacitors were faulty at that time so called capacitor plague which affected most capacitor made from 1999 to 2007. That may cause higher system failure rate, but I don't think that it could affect Vista was so badly received. More important thing is that OEMs built a PC with 1GB ram, 80GB hdd, Pentium D or Core Solo/Dou marked it as "Vista Capable", pre-installed bunch of crapware and sold. Such pc won't be very fast. When I purchased new HP Pavilion dv6000, when I turned it on for the very first time, I noticed that 1,2 GB of 2GB was used when no soft launched, and only 100 left of my 160 GB hdd. But when I re-installed clean Vista Home premium, it used only 700MB. So the biggest problem was that OEMs filled PCs with bunch of uecessary software, so PCs were slow, and people thought Vista was "piece of [censored], which filled-up my pc so I can't play GTA IV [censored]" citing my roomate.

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I have used Windows Vista Home Premium Service Pack 2 for years and I believe that it is an underrated OS.
After getting all updates, it runs around the same speed as Windows 7.
My Laptop Had an Intel Celeron 1.66GHz Dual Core, 1GB RAM and Built in Intel Graphics.
It ran perfectly until I upgraded to my new PC not long ago which has Windows 10.


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I ran vista sp2 on same pc now that has 7 x64
so you can't blame the PC hardware... OS is just unoptimised
plus it doesn't give anything better comparing to 7, so why run it at all....


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You clearly don't understand this.this topic is about how the OS is underrated,not how it performs compared with later versions.it definitely is optimized finely too,just that smartass OEMs thought they could save a few bucks by putting celeron D's and pentium D's and that's what causes lag.
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haha,reminds me of a vista business Dell laptop I owned.512 MB RAM,pentium dual,wasnt even genuine vista(real nice Dell....)and once I had to reinstall from a random bsod.

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I ran vista sp2 on same pc now that has 7 x64
so you can't blame the PC hardware... OS is just unoptimised
plus it doesn't give anything better comparing to 7, so why run it at all....


Hey, to each their own, although I find that Vista performs better than any later versions on both my 2008 and my 2011 laptops. I tested this with unmodified x64 Business/Professional versions of both, as a certain OEM's version of Windows 7 made me think it was worse than it really is.

Also, the default artwork for Vista wasn't really topped by any later versions IMO. Windows 7 was neither better nor worse, just different (although the M3 builds were better than Vista, I'll give them that), and while later versions have been more decent than say, Windows XP, there was nothing that really captured my eye.

I do have to admit that I have the opposite problem of you. What does Windows 7 actually give when compared to Vista SP2, except for the Superbar?

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I used Vista back in the day, on a laptop I'd been bought not long after it came out, and never thought it was that bad at all. Yes, I thought 7 was cleaner and more stable, but Vista did everything I needed it to.

Never really understood all the hate that was directed at Vista, to be honest.

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I used Vista back in the day, on a laptop I'd been bought not long after it came out, and never thought it was that bad at all. Yes, I thought 7 was cleaner and more stable, but Vista did everything I needed it to.

Never really understood all the hate that was directed at Vista, to be honest.

Do you remember specs of that laptop? ..did everything I needed it to.. for what did you use that laptop?

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I honestly have never liked Vista, but this may be due to the fact that I never had a computer that was capable of running it smoothly until Windows 7 was already out.

I remember installing it on release day on a really crappy Dell laptop.. the thing would take like 3-4 minutes to open anything, you could hear the hard disk going full time, graphics card drivers no longer worked so it was using the stock drivers, etc, etc.. It was not pleasant.

Never really tried Vista fully until a year ago, and it wasn't that bad, but I still prefer 7 over it.


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Tootles wrote:
I used Vista back in the day, on a laptop I'd been bought not long after it came out, and never thought it was that bad at all. Yes, I thought 7 was cleaner and more stable, but Vista did everything I needed it to.

Never really understood all the hate that was directed at Vista, to be honest.

Do you remember specs of that laptop? ..did everything I needed it to.. for what did you use that laptop?
Good grief, you're asking me to remember the spec of a laptop I had for about three months (it was struck by lightning) nine years ago *hehe*

IIRC it had 512MB of RAM and a 200GB disk pack, but I forget what processor it had.

What did I use it for? Sixth-form assignments, light gaming, programming self-tuition, and porn.

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I used vista x64 on a new HP laptop that came with it preloaded for the 'vista launch' but I got it a few weeks early.

I always had NO issues with it. I think the first mainstream x64 OS broke a lot of bad/old [censored] TBH. It always ran fine for me.

At the same time, I like Windows 10, so I'm either not vocal, or an outlier.

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Tootles wrote:
I used Vista back in the day, on a laptop I'd been bought not long after it came out, and never thought it was that bad at all. Yes, I thought 7 was cleaner and more stable, but Vista did everything I needed it to.

Never really understood all the hate that was directed at Vista, to be honest.


Well, in this day and age, Windows Vista with at least Service Pack 1 isn't something I would consider borderline awful. Heck, it might be sluggish a little, but SP2 managed to fix most, if not all, of bugs that were still left in Vista.

RTM, however, is one different story. It's still slow, buggy and nevertheless...

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I do agree with how underrated Vista is. Too bad, we won't see all these projects trying to keep it alive after EOL though.

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I have many computers, two of which run Windows Vista. Both have 3GB of RAM. One of them has a Pentium T3400(Dual-Core) and the other has a Core 2 Duo T5800(Dual-Core). I never experienced Vista RTM, due do the fact that these computers had Vista SP1. I think a huge factor that plays into the slowness of Vista PCs is that the hard drive has a hard time handling all the bloatware included in the PCs, and that the drivers are not *fully* compatible. The processors also had a hard time handling all the bloatware. Once I reinstalled Vista and the drivers from not the OEM, but the component manufacturers, it ran smoothly with lots of applications.


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If you added DynCache to a Vista install, you basically got the poor-man's Windows 7. It added the ability to dynamically alter the memory cache while the system is running. In the documentation, there's a lot of nifty registry options that can be set as well. I believe the DynCache utility came out just as Windows 7 was going into the RTM stages. I know Microsoft intended it more for server use, but even on the desktop client, it seems to help in low-ram situations.

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