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 PostPost subject: The last build of Windows to work correctly with old games        Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 4:23 pm 
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I've got Windows 8.1.
When I want to play an old game like DX-Ball, Airline Tycoon or Chicken Invaders 1 and 2, I have to turn on a Windows 98 VM or Windows 7 host, because on W8 they work very slow (I think it's something with DirectDraw support; Diablo II doesn't work fine unless I install nGlide and set 3dfx mode). I had looked for fix, but probably Google doesn't like me and I didn't find any solution.
I'd like to install beta version of Windows 8 to play on it, but downloading and installing every build sounds bad. And that's a question: what version of W8 should I download?
PS: My favourite XXI-century Windows is 8, don't suggest me to have 7. I know that I won't be able to download from Windows Store and Metro will be a decoration.

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 PostPost subject: Re: The last build of Windows to work correctly with old gam        Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 4:59 pm 
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It's not really recommended to run a beta build for a daily use, even for old games.
You can always try the Developer Preview though


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 PostPost subject: Re: The last build of Windows to work correctly with old gam        Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 5:08 pm 
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It's not really recommended to run a beta build for a daily use, even for old games.

Seriously? I don't care, I'd use every Windows version that any browser (the newest Firefox works on 6.1.6469.1), Skype (I can use 3.8) and drivers work on it.
Hmm, Developer Preview? I thought it's too new version, but I'll try it (and restore Menu Start by registry tweak <3).
EDIT: Well, on VMware SVGA II it's low FPS, on VirtualBox a graphics driver isn't compatible with DP, but on basic driver I can enjoy playing DX-Ball. Now I'm downloading Consumer Preview.

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 PostPost subject: Re: The last build of Windows to work correctly with old gam        Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 12:15 pm 
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Windows XP, in my opinion. Don't muck about with betas/prereleases, just install XP on a box and take all the cack out that you don't need.

Which I'd like to do myself. I miss Unreal Tournament, and it won't work on Windows 8.1...

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 PostPost subject: Re: The last build of Windows to work correctly with old gam        Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 2:31 pm 
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On Windows 7 everything works fine, so I'd prefer not to go to 2001. I've got 3 GB of RAM and i5 processor ._.
I've just deleted Developer Preview from host because DX-Ball doesn't work. Now I'll try 6.2.7955.0.

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 PostPost subject: Re: The last build of Windows to work correctly with old gam        Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 7:24 pm 
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On Windows 7 everything works fine, so I'd prefer not to go to 2001. I've got 3 GB of RAM and i5 processor ._.
I've just deleted Developer Preview from host because DX-Ball doesn't work. Now I'll try 6.2.7955.0.


Why even use the original DX-Ball, when the free version of Super DX-Ball (that works on 8.1) has the original DX-Ball boardset...

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 PostPost subject: Re: The last build of Windows to work correctly with old gam        Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 8:08 pm 
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Um, nope? You've mistaken Super DX-Ball with DX-Ball 2, which doesn't work. Super DX-Ball has only one or two classic level sets with rectangles (I include all DLC's).

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 PostPost subject: Re: The last build of Windows to work correctly with old gam        Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 8:24 am 
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On Windows 7 everything works fine, so I'd prefer not to go to 2001. I've got 3 GB of RAM and i5 processor ._.
I've just deleted Developer Preview from host because DX-Ball doesn't work. Now I'll try 6.2.7955.0.


I think it is a little disingenuous to state that using Windows XP is like going back to 2001. It received quite a few refinements and updates in its 13-year lifecycle. Windows XP SP3 is an entirely different beast than RTM XP, just like a 2014 Camry is different from a 2001 Camry.

I could easily liken Windows 7 to an outdated system since it [Windows NT 6.1] still contains code from Windows NT 3.x from 1993. But I wouldn't say using Windows 7 is like going back to 1993, would you?

As this article proves, new versions of Windows simply consist of [millions of lines of] new code slapped onto old code:

Microsoft confirms 17-year-old Windows bug

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 PostPost subject: Re: The last build of Windows to work correctly with old gam        Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 1:42 pm 
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On Windows 7 everything works fine, so I'd prefer not to go to 2001. I've got 3 GB of RAM and i5 processor ._.
I've just deleted Developer Preview from host because DX-Ball doesn't work. Now I'll try 6.2.7955.0.
I doubt any version of 8 will work as all builds we got already use the new driver model


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 PostPost subject: Re: The last build of Windows to work correctly with old gam        Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 2:07 pm 
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Windows XP SP3 is an entirely different beast than RTM XP, just like a 2014 Camry is different from a 2001 Camry.

Mainstream support for SP3 ended in 2009, not in April 8, 2014, so I'd go to 2009, when 7 RTM didn't exist - on 7 SP1 all games that I'd like to play work, so why should I install catkiller?
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I doubt any version of 8 will work as all builds we got already use the new driver model

Thanks for answer, finally I know that downloading 8 betas doesn't make any sense :p Well, I'll install 7 SP1. I wish I was able to install Windows Virtual PC this time, because last time on Home Premium (if I didn't have HP licence, I'd install Professional) I had error 80004005, probably I deleted too much in RT7Lite.

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 PostPost subject: Re: The last build of Windows to work correctly with old gam        Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:31 pm 
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Windows 7 killed DOS games, then Windows 8.x killed old games, what we will be expect in Windows 9? Maybe kill games before HD era?

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 PostPost subject: Re: The last build of Windows to work correctly with old gam        Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:54 pm 
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The solution of problem is DxWnd, which can emulate DirectX well on W8. Now games are playable. There are few problems like border in Airline Tycoon or comet instead of ball in DX-Ball, but it doesn't matter.

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Windows 7 killed DOS games, then Windows 8.x killed old games, what we will be expect in Windows 9? Maybe kill games before HD era?

DOS games still run under Windows 8.1 via NTVDM, providing you're using the x86 version. They don't run as well as they do under DOSBox, but they do run. In addition, all versions of Windows 8.1 contain a copy of DOS bundled in the floppy disk format utility - if you have a USB (or real) floppy drive you can boot from that into pure, real-mode DOS. As a bonus, most BIOSes can be set to present USB memory sticks as a hard drive, meaning you can run old DOS games natively if you so desire.

64-bit versions of Windows won't run DOS or 16-bit games under Windows, but they still run many, if not most 32-bit games - and yes, that includes DX-Ball2, both full-screen and windowed. Not sure why there'd be any problems running it!

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 PostPost subject: Re: The last build of Windows to work correctly with old gam        Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:12 pm 
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 PostPost subject: Re: The last build of Windows to work correctly with old gam        Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:13 am 
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DX-Ball 2 on full-screen? No, it doesn't run correctly.

Must be your drivers then. It works just fine here (Win 8.1 x64, i7-2600K, GeForce 670 GTX, 1920x1080 @120 Hz display).


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 PostPost subject: Re: The last build of Windows to work correctly with old gam        Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:43 am 
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Maybe M$ repaired something in 8.1, I remember it didn't work, but now I've downloaded and it runs fine.

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