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 PostPost subject: Any compatibility differences between Windows XP and 2003?        Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:25 pm 
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Tommorow i will be building new computer for myself and i decided i want 4 GBs of RAM. I still want to have x86 system from the XP-era that will use those 4 GBs. I know XP can go for 3 only but 2003 has no problems. I just want to ask if there are any compatibility issues when you launch applications that would normally work on XP?


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 PostPost subject: Re: Any compatibility differences between Windows XP and 2003?        Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:27 pm 
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Some programs will detect it as an Server OS and will not install, some programs will not install even in compatibilty mode.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Any compatibility differences between Windows XP and 2003?        Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:32 pm 
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DjRob wrote:
Some programs will detect it as an Server OS and will not install, some programs will not install even in compatibilty mode.

Oh, that sux. Then:
1) Does anyone have list of programs that won't work?
2) Would converting it to workstation via TweakNT work?
3) If the above would work, would it break anything?


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 PostPost subject: Re: Any compatibility differences between Windows XP and 2003?        Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:37 pm 
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No idea on tweaknt, but an MSI editor (Orca) can often change the installer to accept server OSes happily


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 PostPost subject: Re: Any compatibility differences between Windows XP and 2003?        Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:28 pm 
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I've tried TweakNT on 2003, all it really does is change the winver.
Windows Live apps won't install via that Windows Live installer thing that just downloads them, you'll need to use MSI's.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Any compatibility differences between Windows XP and 2003?        Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:44 pm 
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Before vista came out, I was using Windows Server 2003 not XP. The only problem I ran into was that some anti-virus won't install. If it has a .msi installer, use orca to remove installer restriction.

You probably want to install Windows Media Player 11 on your Server 2003.
Simply extract wmp11-windowsxp-x86-enu.exe using winrar or 7-zip then run the following files under Windows XP compatibility mode:umdf.exe, WindowsXP-MSCompPackV1-x86.exe, wmfdist11.exe, wmp11.exe, and wmpappcompat.exe

Windows Live Essentials MSI installer is at:
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Windows XP 32 bit can support 4GB of memory
Windows Server 2003 32 bit can support 64GB of memory
Windows XP 64 bit can support 128GB of memory
Windows Server 2003 64 bit can support 2TB of memory

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 PostPost subject: Re: Any compatibility differences between Windows XP and 2003?        Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:52 pm 
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Windows XP 32 bit can support 4GB of memory

Then, why always i see its displaying only ~3 GB on 4 GB computer?


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 PostPost subject: Re: Any compatibility differences between Windows XP and 2003?        Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:10 pm 
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FiFi wrote:
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Windows XP 32 bit can support 4GB of memory

Then, why always i see its displaying only ~3 GB on 4 GB computer?

I have no idea. I am just going by what's microsoft said here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx

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 PostPost subject: Re: Any compatibility differences between Windows XP and 2003?        Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:13 pm 
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 PostPost subject: Re: Any compatibility differences between Windows XP and 2003?        Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:25 pm 
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Oh well... i guess then i will go with XP x86 anyway. And Seven x64...


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 PostPost subject: Re: Any compatibility differences between Windows XP and 2003?        Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:29 pm 
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FiFi wrote:
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Windows XP 32 bit can support 4GB of memory

Then, why always i see its displaying only ~3 GB on 4 GB computer?


because thats the total memory address space, which includes: ram, video card memory, cpu cache, hdd cache, etc.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Any compatibility differences between Windows XP and 2003?        Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:35 pm 
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Oh, Ok.
If PAE is enable, Windows XP x86 can use 4GB memory and Windows Server 2003 x86 can use 64GB memory.
If PAE is disable, both Windows XP x86 and Windows Server 2003 x86 can only use ~3GB memory.

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PAE is enabled by default in XP x32 SP2 BUT you will be unable to use more then 4 gigs due to what Microsoft calls "driver issues". These "driver issues" are almost a lie made to encourage the purchase of Microsoft's server OSs.

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Frozenport wrote:
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PAE is enabled by default in XP x32 SP2 BUT you will be unable to use more then 4 gigs due to what Microsoft calls "driver issues". These "driver issues" are almost a lie made to encourage the purchase of Microsoft's server OSs.


No, PAE is not enabled by default in XP SP2. The thing that's preventing you from seeing all 4GBs is a hardware issue, dealing with how graphics memory is being handled. It's a long explanation which you can check out here: http://www.dansdata.com/askdan00015.htm

Edit: It's also worth noting that while PAE enables the use of 4+GB ram in a system it doesn't change the maximum amount a process can address. So even if you have 12GB ram on a PAE system no process can use more than ~3.5GB anyway.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Any compatibility differences between Windows XP and 2003?        Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:13 am 
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I ran Server 2003 as my main OS some time ago; the only issue I ran into was getting some specific programs to install.
Other than that, everything functioned as expected.


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I've used Server 2003 as my main OS on my old laptop for over a year now... only problems I had was A/V like mentioned


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 PostPost subject: Re: Any compatibility differences between Windows XP and 2003?        Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:09 pm 
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I also use it as my primary OS on my notebook (4 GB RAM). It works just fine. The only problem I ran into was, as mentioned above, an issue with my AntiVirus... avast! wanted me to get the professional edition... others might work tho... (i use Sophos)


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 PostPost subject: Re: Any compatibility differences between Windows XP and 2003?        Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:58 pm 
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No, it isn't. There are a lot of shitty drivers that assume that they live in the >3GB address space. Join #reactos on freenode and they can tell you all about it.

Thing is, it isn't the server OS itself that allows "support" for larger memory pools... it has been that driver manufacturers could never make an assumption about the limit of memory when dealing with a server OS, so they are written "better" (or you could say they didn't have the luxury of such shortcuts).

Frozenport wrote:
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PAE is enabled by default in XP x32 SP2 BUT you will be unable to use more then 4 gigs due to what Microsoft calls "driver issues". These "driver issues" are almost a lie made to encourage the purchase of Microsoft's server OSs.


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