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 PostPost subject: Slipstreaming Windows FLP        Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:32 am 
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Is it possible at all? nLite won't work at it, and the CD is missing quite a lot of updates. Does this link work on Windows FLP?


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 PostPost subject: Windows FLP        Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:36 am 
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First: You cannot use nlite, because it is not a XP Disk full of files like XP uses on disk.
Second :[/b] Think of FLP CD as kind of the same thing thats on the Vista DVD, but again no, you cannot use a vista-litening tool on it, too

Here is the background for why and how FLP is different from XP and Vista :[/u]

[u]WinFLP is based upon ImageX/Ximage Technology
, setup will deliver a preconfigured wim image to your harddisk just like Vista does. The Image of a preconfigured Windows Installation is rapidly deployed to your HDD, then it expands itself and lays out the File-Structures, then the real hardware detection begins ( in xp that part comes first before the rest ), think "the contents of the HDD-Image are being tailored to your unique Machine", this HDD Image is called a "Wim", Microsofts abreviation for that standard. If you know Norton Ghost or Acronis True Image, Drive Image and such tools you get the idea of what that Wim is. :wink:

ImageX and Ximage are the tools that are able to expand ( crack open ) that Wim Image, no third party tool and no Winrar can open it. These programs run in the Windows PE ( short for Preinstallation Environment ) phase, when you boot the machine from the FLP CD.
When MS was working on Longhorn that tool was called XImage, on Vista they renamed it to imageX ( or vice versa, sorry it is a bit ... ) - anyway neither one can open Wims that the newer or older version has created. And that is the point.

Because Windows FLP was not made with Vistas ImageX, but with Longhorns ( think 403x builds ).
Longhorn went to the trash, but the PE part of it is living on in Windows FLP, that's right.
Sadly the authoring tools are nowhere available, only MS has them. So we cannot open the Wim, only the Windows FLP Setup.exe on the CD will do this for you hidden behind the scene.


The Problem is that the Wim used in WinFLP has been created not with the rtm edition of the imaging filters but with XImage from the Longhorn era, before Vistas.
[b]Therefore any offline patching like vlite or the WAIK does wont work on the Wim of FLP.



Having a wim based setup speeds up the initial installation - say you can have a fresh working FLP/Vista/Server2008/Windows 7 in under 30 minutes, but the patching to the current patchlevel is up to the user, i.e. install SP1 for Vista and go through the painful "configuring updates..." phases..

It's a personal belief question if this is good or bad. The major plus point is the quick and easy fresh install, also to keep the old windir so you can avoid loosing personal data but wont have dead program links in the start menu and all that hassle.

Traditional slipstreaming as we know the way XP CDs could be made up to date is no longer available, that's the downside. To prepare a up2date Wim Image is way too much time to invest in my opinion, so just install those wims be it FLP or Vista and let automatic update do the rest.

If you need/want/dare to you could think of installing FLP into vmware, run all updates and create a new wim of the virtual HDD with the XImage of Vista for example.. At least this you could open any time later with the WAIK tools and keep it up to date.

To deliver that Wim to a Laptop/PC would bring some new hurdles.. The Windows PE from Vista ( needed to deliver all Vista-made wims ) needs 512MB of RAM ( can be tricked into 256 ), boot failures like setup vista on older machines can happen and so on..

That is also the reason why MS uses Windows PE from Longhorn 4xxxx era, because it has no special requirements, it runs well in 128MB of Ram and on any XP-capable machine. Because FLP is for very old machines, this decision makes sense, you see the point..
Vistas PE is simply too "powerful" for that old hardware. But the WAIKs ImageX needs Vistas PE while Ximage will only work in Longhorn PE :wink:

BTW: the standard SP3 wont work on FLP. It is Windows Embedded and needs a special SP3 edition.
SP2 is included already as FLP is technically XP with integrated SP2, but the bits are all special like I said, it is Windows Embedded, just branded as "Fundamentals".

It's a good choice for Win98/ME like PCs or Laptops, say 400MhZ/128-256 RAM. Every PC that technically could run "real XP" but would be too slow to let it be a joy. For those old PCs this OS is the best. I used it regulary on a 1999 Thinkpad 600E/366 with 192 Ram, and it was pretty ok to operate.


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Couldn't you install WinFLP and customize it, sysprep it, and put it in a new wim file using Ximage Build 4059 and make it use the Longhorn Build 4074 WinPE like Hounsell did with his protoplex project?

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squidward_ wrote:
Couldn't you install WinFLP and customize it, sysprep it, and put it in a new wim file using Ximage Build 4059 and make it use the Longhorn Build 4074 WinPE like Hounsell did with his protoplex project?


you could, but i would suggest using the 6000/6001 waik / sysprep / setup then ;)


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What, then merge the wim file with the Vista setup program so that the setup program thinks it is installing Vista? One bad thing about that would be that the Vista based WinPE wouln't run on low powered computers and that would mean you couldn't install FLP, which I know it is designed for low powered computers.

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Windows FLP... isnt that only for Software Assurance and Volume Licensing Customers....
I think its something good to collect... I'll log on to my eOpen (MS Volume Licensing type) Account and download it


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It's also on the servers here.

Yeah, its only for that, but it can be used with any VLK key.

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