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 PostPost subject: Good PC build to run Whistler/Longhorn?        Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:36 am 
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Does anyone know and/or have experience with some good pre-built PC builds to use the Whistler and Longhorn Builds with? If so, which ones is perfect to play with these beta's on?

Also if there is not a perfect one and its preferred to build one with parts, what processor/memory would be to get? Probably a graphics card that can handle the pre-reset longhorn builds also.

From right now, I had some old PC's laying around, a "Dell Dimension 3000" with a Pentium 4 2.8GHz 533MHz and 1GB DDR SDRAM @ 333MHz with a 80GB 7200rpm HDD and I thought that it would run Whistler with no problem but surprisingly it doesn't even make it past the "Setup is starting Windows 2000" after it loads all the drivers up, it goes immediately to a BSOD 0x0000001e KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED. I did a google search on it and unfortunately, it can be all sorts of things, processor cache is too big to one of the drivers could be conflicting with the hardware, etc and then the bios is so limited on the Dimension, its as if you are using a dumbed downed bios for beginners.

I also have a Compaq Presario SR1917CL with a AMD Athlon 64 , its somewhat newer, it was made after XP MCE 2005 came out which thats what is pre-installed on there but it has SATA and ATA inside. I had many doubts it would actually work but I went ahead and tried, had a spare IDE HDD that I hooked up in this one and no BSOD but it stays stuck at the Setup is starting Windows 2000. Then I have slightly newer Compaq SR series SR5410 that came with Vista Home Premium, but its 64 bit also.

If anyone is wondering, yes I have set the BIO's date back on both systems when these instances happened.

I know there is VMWare, VirtualPC, and the other VM programs out there and I have used them but what im wanting to do exactly is set up a few of my spares, or maybe even just sell the spares since they are not cooperating with installing the whistler build and get some prebuilt manufactured PC builds (Compaq, HP, Dell, even the older eMachines) that may actually work with no problems and have them with quite a few partitions set up to install each fundamental whistler builds that had major changes since obviously im not going to install over 50 builds considering I would only be limited to 24 partitions max before it would throw a BSOD due to the max partitions being made plus additional ones where they system can't assign a drive to them) but ultimately have a Whistler Build Machine, then a Longhorn Pre-set machine, and post-reset longhorn machine. Then anytime I feel like messing with a certain build or enable all the fancy stuff on a Longhorn build, I already have it set up and ready to load up along with the appropriate/correct graphics card. Then if I ever want to show some history to some of my family/friends, I can just bring out the nostalgia PC with old hardware inside and show them the PC's I used to use back in the day along with the added bonus showing them features that started getting implemented with each build's progress that finally became Windows XP and then Longhorn.

Again, if you know a pre-built compaq/dell/hp/emachines that would work perfect with installing these builds then that would be great if you can share that info. If there is no prebuilt ones that would work good then I would need a parts list of what I would need to exactly get all this working good and correctly would be great to know also so I can build one. I can get a cheap case, PSU, but the vital most important components I would need help with is finding the best CPU, Memory, motherboard, etc for making this all work seamlessly with no problems, well that might be asking to much, there might be a problem here and there but hopefully its easier to solve them then deal with the BSOD's and such. After doing all this, I might later on down the road do Windows 98 builds or even perhaps earlier OS versions but then I would have to start looking for some **VINTAGE** PC's lol!

But if anyone wanted to document the results, Dell Dimension 3000 is a no go with BSOD's, the Compaq SR1000 series (particularly the SR1917CL) gets stuck on the Setup is starting" so thats 50/50 right now unless I figure that one out and the last model I mentioned earlier is a unsure but more then likely no for Whistler build installs.

Last but not least, the whistler build I was trying to install on both machines is 2211. Thanks in advanced and any input that is posted! :)


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For Whistler builds I'd recommend something with an Athlon (XP) or Pentium 3 in it, since these were most likely used internally to test Whistler out. Pair it with 512 MB RAM and perhaps a Radeon 9000 or 7500, or early GeForce2/RIVA TNT cards, and you'd have something pretty competent for those. Though, CPU shouldn't matter as much as the GPU due to finicky driver support of course. GPUs should be either PCI or AGP.

Meanwhile for Longhorn, I'd recommend something more from the 2003 era. Pentium 4, Athlon XP, Athlon 64. Graphics cards being GeForce4 thru GeForce 6000 series, or Radeon 8500 or later 9000 series, such as the Radeon 9600. 1 GB of DDR should do you fine. Since Longhorn development spans longer though, your mileage may vary depending on what you want to test.

I'd also recommend to custom build your own, so that way you have more control and flexibility with what you can do. If you want to get cheap components like this, or indeed get them free, I'd recommend heading over to the e-waste bin at your local recycling center if you have one. People throw out Pentium 3/4 stuff, and it usually ends up there.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Good PC build to run Whistler/Longhorn?        Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:32 pm 
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Last but not least, the whistler build I was trying to install on both machines is 2211.


This is a very early build we're talking about here, so it's prone to have its fair share of problems and/or be rather picky about the hardware it's installed on. As a matter of fact, I am told that the latter problem is still prevalent in betas from later Windows versions.

Have you tried anything significantly newer, such as anything from the 24xx series of builds?

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For Whistler builds I'd recommend something with an Athlon (XP) or Pentium 3 in it, since these were most likely used internally to test Whistler out. Pair it with 512 MB RAM and perhaps a Radeon 9000 or 7500, or early GeForce2/RIVA TNT cards, and you'd have something pretty competent for those. Though, CPU shouldn't matter as much as the GPU due to finicky driver support of course. GPUs should be either PCI or AGP.

Meanwhile for Longhorn, I'd recommend something more from the 2003 era. Pentium 4, Athlon XP, Athlon 64. Graphics cards being GeForce4 thru GeForce 6000 series, or Radeon 8500 or later 9000 series, such as the Radeon 9600. 1 GB of DDR should do you fine. Since Longhorn development spans longer though, your mileage may vary depending on what you want to test.

I'd also recommend to custom build your own, so that way you have more control and flexibility with what you can do. If you want to get cheap components like this, or indeed get them free, I'd recommend heading over to the e-waste bin at your local recycling center if you have one. People throw out Pentium 3/4 stuff, and it usually ends up there.


Awesome! Thanks for the input! Im going to do some searching and the local goodwill shops and even Facebook Barter and Trade groups and see if anyone is getting rid of their old PC's. One mans junk is another mans treasure. Also, eBay happens to have some really cheap components to put together a custom built one. Im going to see what I can find on there.

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Last but not least, the whistler build I was trying to install on both machines is 2211.


This is a very early build we're talking about here, so it's prone to have its fair share of problems and/or be rather picky about the hardware it's installed on. As a matter of fact, I am told that the latter problem is still prevalent in betas from later Windows versions.

Have you tried anything significantly newer, such as anything from the 24xx series of builds?


I did just try 2419 and it seemed to load up perfect. The OOBE experience did ok midway but then it crashed and had to close and it just booted right up into the desktop. Not sure if that OOBE crash was a normal bug in this build as I looked over at betawiki and didn't see no mention of it but its running good so far with no problems.


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I did just try 2419 and it seemed to load up perfect. The OOBE experience did ok midway but then it crashed and had to close and it just booted right up into the desktop. Not sure if that OOBE crash was a normal bug in this build as I looked over at betawiki and didn't see no mention of it but its running good so far with no problems.


I've tried that build with VMware in the past - don't recall OOBE crashing at all either. So it might be a little tidbit in your hardware that it doesn't like, but from your description of the issue, it doesn't seem that detrimental to the overall functionality of the OS.
EDIT: I can't seem to recall which build it was exactly, other than the fact that it's either 2416 or 2419... but still, my earlier statement stands.

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For Whistler builds I'd recommend something with an Athlon (XP) or Pentium 3 in it, since these were most likely used internally to test Whistler out. Pair it with 512 MB RAM and perhaps a Radeon 9000 or 7500, or early GeForce2/RIVA TNT cards, and you'd have something pretty competent for those. Though, CPU shouldn't matter as much as the GPU due to finicky driver support of course. GPUs should be either PCI or AGP.

Meanwhile for Longhorn, I'd recommend something more from the 2003 era. Pentium 4, Athlon XP, Athlon 64. Graphics cards being GeForce4 thru GeForce 6000 series, or Radeon 8500 or later 9000 series, such as the Radeon 9600. 1 GB of DDR should do you fine. Since Longhorn development spans longer though, your mileage may vary depending on what you want to test.

I'd also recommend to custom build your own, so that way you have more control and flexibility with what you can do. If you want to get cheap components like this, or indeed get them free, I'd recommend heading over to the e-waste bin at your local recycling center if you have one. People throw out Pentium 3/4 stuff, and it usually ends up there.


So I finally have my hands on a Pentium III system, got one really cheap on a Barter and trade group on Facebook locally in my area, looks to be almost brand new, the guy who had it, had a slew of these back in the day when he was deploying these for a computer room in the school and he ordered extra's but never utilized them at all. This looks to be practically brand new, no scratches, dents on the case, inside is clean, heck, I would classify it as almost brand new inside. He had quite a few more and I thought about maybe getting a 2nd one and he is going to hold on to one for me in case I decide to buy a 2nd one. Only spent $20 on it!

Anyways, these came with some 8mb video card, I haven't looked inside yet but thats what i see loaded up in the device manager, I noticed "DarkerJ" mentioned Radeon 9000 or 7500 or GeForce2/Riva TNT cards. Which one would I have the best of luck with? I know the motherboard has AGP and PCI. Which video card would you all recommend the most? Brand, Model to run Whistler and the pre-reset longhorn builds with the least problems? Im thinking ATI was more widely used back in the day more then nVidia wasn't it? I was looking on eBay and there is just many different ones for the ones DarkerJ mentioned. Any points to the right direction is greatly appreciated!

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For Whistler builds I'd recommend something with an Athlon (XP) or Pentium 3 in it, since these were most likely used internally to test Whistler out. Pair it with 512 MB RAM and perhaps a Radeon 9000 or 7500, or early GeForce2/RIVA TNT cards, and you'd have something pretty competent for those. Though, CPU shouldn't matter as much as the GPU due to finicky driver support of course. GPUs should be either PCI or AGP.

Meanwhile for Longhorn, I'd recommend something more from the 2003 era. Pentium 4, Athlon XP, Athlon 64. Graphics cards being GeForce4 thru GeForce 6000 series, or Radeon 8500 or later 9000 series, such as the Radeon 9600. 1 GB of DDR should do you fine. Since Longhorn development spans longer though, your mileage may vary depending on what you want to test.

I'd also recommend to custom build your own, so that way you have more control and flexibility with what you can do. If you want to get cheap components like this, or indeed get them free, I'd recommend heading over to the e-waste bin at your local recycling center if you have one. People throw out Pentium 3/4 stuff, and it usually ends up there.


So I finally have my hands on a Pentium III system, got one really cheap on a Barter and trade group on Facebook locally in my area, looks to be almost brand new, the guy who had it, had a slew of these back in the day when he was deploying these for a computer room in the school and he ordered extra's but never utilized them at all. This looks to be practically brand new, no scratches, dents on the case, inside is clean, heck, I would classify it as almost brand new inside. He had quite a few more and I thought about maybe getting a 2nd one and he is going to hold on to one for me in case I decide to buy a 2nd one. Only spent $20 on it!

Anyways, these came with some 8mb video card, I haven't looked inside yet but thats what i see loaded up in the device manager, I noticed "DarkerJ" mentioned Radeon 9000 or 7500 or GeForce2/Riva TNT cards. Which one would I have the best of luck with? I know the motherboard has AGP and PCI. Which video card would you all recommend the most? Brand, Model to run Whistler and the pre-reset longhorn builds with the least problems? Im thinking ATI was more widely used back in the day more then nVidia wasn't it? I was looking on eBay and there is just many different ones for the ones DarkerJ mentioned. Any points to the right direction is greatly appreciated!

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Manufacturer shouldn't matter in this case. It would have been foolish for Microsoft to just use one hardware configuration to test Whistler. I'd just go with what works with your budget, to be honest. Later cards (such as the 8500) might work, seeing as they have 2000 drivers that might work on Whistler, but the 7500 and GeForce2 were both released around 99 - 2000, while Whistler was being developed. AGP would be preferred for performance and variety reasons, but I dont think it's going to matter if it's PCI or AGP, just as long as it fits and there's drivers.

Also, consider dual booting it with Windows 98 SE. That will be a good machine for running retro games. :)

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If you’re installing 2202 or 2211, I would recommend a 1999-2000 computer. Pentium 2 or 3, 128-256 megs of RAM, and an ATI rage card


Thanks for the input. Did you have some problems using slightly newer hardware then the recommendations you mentioned above?


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Yes. I don't have necessarily have a *slightly* newer PC, but running 2257 on my HP z420(Xeon 3.6 GHz, 6GB of RAM, GTX 650) doesn't work. Most of the time it hangs at "Setup is starting Windows..." or it'll not detect my keyboard. I installed it on a W2K laptop that got the OS corrupted, so I installed 2257 on it. If you're installing 2257, I'd Recommend 512 megs for all of the new features. That's all I tried.

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in real hardware depends on the build, the compilation 2296 whistler works perfect on a Pentium 2.

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I remember installing a couple of Longhorn builds on a Pentium 166 just to see if it was possible lol. Such a horrible experience. I would say a Pentium 2 for Whistler and a Pentium 3 minimum for Longhorn. I also seem to remember many of the leaked Longhorn builds requiring patches to fix memory leaks. So, if you find performance being very slow be sure to check RAM usage.

Whistler was not as demanding of course. Even XP became quit e a bit more demanding of resources by the time it hit SP3. But the beta builds, I seem to remember them running about as efficiently as Windows 2000.


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Other than to try it out, what would be the point of running Whistler on real hardware?


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For whistler:
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(idk what graphic card to use, but use one which is compatible with XP.)

Why S3 Trio64? I get it's compatible with nearly everything but it's an odd choice for a P3 system. Riva TNT2 is the first card I can think of that seems like a good choice. Relatively common and has decent performance. For Longhorn, a Radeon 9600 is a great card from that era. Maybe for earlier builds the P3 system is better. Also HDD size doesn't really matter.


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For whistler:
Intel Pentium 3 @ 900MHz
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For longhorn:
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(idk what graphic card to use, but use one which is compatible with XP.)

Why S3 Trio64? I get it's compatible with nearly everything but it's an odd choice for a P3 system. Riva TNT2 is the first card I can think of that seems like a good choice. Relatively common and has decent performance. For Longhorn, a Radeon 9600 is a great card from that era. Maybe for earlier builds the P3 system is better. Also HDD size doesn't really matter.


I agree. Honestly, a 32 GB SSD would be good for either, and the Whistler build would be happy on pretty much any Pentium 3 with 512 MB of RAM. Also, I think the S3 Trio64 belongs more with a Windows 9x build. Radeon 7000 or Riva TNT(2) are gonna probably be the best.

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I was successful in using the Windows 2000 ATI Mobility Radeon X1300 driver with Whistler 2419. Unfortunately the PC had HD audio, and faking the OS version to try to install KB888111w2ksp4 didn't work because the installer complained about "insufficient space". Slipstreaming is a possible workaround though I haven't attempted it yet.

The XP Radeon driver didn't work on Longhorn 3718. I should have used the win2k driver.

That was on an IBM ThinkPad T60, which isn't a good choice for pre-releases. According to 4066, 5048 and 5112, its BIOS is not fully ACPI-compliant yet 2000, 2003 and 7 are fully satisfied with it.

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MCpillager12 wrote:
For whistler:
Intel Pentium 3 @ 900MHz
80GB HDD
768MB RAM
S3 Trio64

For longhorn:
Intel Pentium 4 @ 2.0 GHz
160GB HDD
1.5GB RAM
(idk what graphic card to use, but use one which is compatible with XP.)

I hate double-posting, cant seem to find the edit button :x
Anyways, for the whistler, Ill go for radeon r100, and for longhorn I'll go for a good ol' radeon 9600.
I also agree with DarkerJ for a 32gb ssd for whistler. Also whistler doesnt need more than 8gb hdd unless if its your daily driver.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Good PC build to run Whistler/Longhorn?        Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:17 pm 
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I've always had bad moments with ATI cards on Whistler, as the drivers for them never worked.

If you're planning to run Beta 2 (2428-ish period), stick with NVIDIA or Matrox. These pretty much work out of the box and don't BSOD like ATI cards do.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Good PC build to run Whistler/Longhorn?        Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:51 pm 
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Are you using the win2k driver?win32 managed to get the Radeon Mobility X1300 win2k driver to work on 2419.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Good PC build to run Whistler/Longhorn?        Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:31 pm 
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AMD K6-2 333Mhz with 128MB good for testing Whistler Builds? It have a 3dFX VooDoo Banshee 16MB card and an Avance Logic ALS120 ISA SOund card.


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