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 PostPost subject: Windows 95 "Detroit" Beta Build 1113        Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:54 pm 
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I just uploaded this to the FTP. I believe it is legit and yet-unleaked (couldn't find it on the FTP) but don't take my word for it ;-)

Scene release by "Mortality Team" (MTY) from July 3rd, 1996.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 95 "Detroit" Beta Build 1113        Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:21 am 
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Yay, more leaks for 2016, thanks for sharing. Hope 1115 is also found.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 95 "Detroit" Beta Build 1113        Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:55 am 
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I added it to Release 19 in the Help folder as I need help properly identifying this.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 95 "Detroit" Beta Build 1113        Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 2:32 am 
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I think it may be a Memphis build like 1132, based on what I've seen from old usenet posts. My internet connection is too slow to check for sure.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 95 "Detroit" Beta Build 1113        Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 4:53 am 
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Small note for anyone trying to install this build: the BIOS date is 1996-07-02.

UPDATE: Darkstar, this is a really good find! Take a look:

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So,
1. It really is 1113.
2. 1113 is lumped into the same 'category' as 1132.
3. It has IE 3.0 Beta 2 (4.70.1109) and Microsoft Mail and News Beta 2 (4.70.1109).
4. It has Netmeeting for Windows 95 Beta 1 (4.00.1068).
5. It has the release notes of build 1048 (dated June 5th).

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 95 "Detroit" Beta Build 1113        Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:12 pm 
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Alright, thanks for the verification. Moved it to the beta section of the FTP now.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 95 "Detroit" Beta Build 1113        Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 2:17 pm 
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mfw i had this for a while, verified it...

and totally forgot to release because i thought i already did.

At least it's released now.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 95 "Detroit" Beta Build 1113        Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:27 am 
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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 95 "Detroit" Beta Build 1113        Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:57 am 
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- German: That means nothing. The MS-DOS 7.10 included with OSR 2.x was forked from early Memphis, hence why even 95 OSR 2 RTM has a Memphis string in COMMAND.COM.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 95 "Detroit" Beta Build 1113        Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:31 pm 
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- German: That means nothing. The MS-DOS 7.10 included with OSR 2.x was forked from early Memphis, hence why even 95 OSR 2 RTM has a Memphis string in COMMAND.COM.


I don't get it: Why does 1113 predate several OSR 2.0 builds (like the bits of 1089 we have and 1094)? Also, why do 1113, 1132 and 1154 report their versions as 4.03.xxxx in COMMAND.COM while the 121x builds report it as 4.00.1111? (I may be wrong here, as I don't really know much about 9x development in 1996.)

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 95 "Detroit" Beta Build 1113        Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:45 am 
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I can't say for certain, I've never actively tried to sort out the "development timeline;" but I believe "Memphis" was in already in development and ran simultaneously with OSR2 for a while. The "03" in the second field of the version number seems to have indicated Memphis up until 95 OSR2 + USBSUPP (Detroit) was released, in which I believe Microsoft took the latest current Memphis developments and "pasted" them into OSR2.x, hence the "4.03.1212" version for the original USBSUPP (Detroit). Then, once OSR2 + Detroit went RTM, they bumped Memphis to 4.10.1351 and continued from there.

If you closely examine the SETUP files for 95C/OSR2.5, you will note a line in one of the INF's referencing "NTKERN" - a file which is not part of Windows 95 by default and is only added by installing USBSUPP. This seems to indicate that NTKERN had at some point actually been integrated into SETUP as it is in Memphis/98, hence it's possible that OSR2.5 was at least partially derived from a Memphis build.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 95 "Detroit" Beta Build 1113        Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:47 am 
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- Courage: Each of these builds mentions what OSR 2 build it was based on in its README. These builds are builds of Detroit, ie. 95 OSR 2.1, which is OSR 2 + USB support.

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The "03" in the second field of the version number seems to have indicated Memphis up until 95 OSR2 + USBSUPP (Detroit) was released, in which I believe Microsoft took the latest current Memphis developments and "pasted" them into OSR2.x, hence the "4.03.1212" version for the original USBSUPP (Detroit). Then, once OSR2 + Detroit went RTM, they bumped Memphis to 4.10.1351 and continued from there.

But Memphis 4.10.1351 is from December 1996 or so, while USB Support 4.03.1212 is from 1997. Microsoft just loved overlapping build number ranges at the same, something seen in IE development too - when for a while they had IE 3 Beta and IE 4 Beta, both 4.70.1xxx, but both clearly separate build ranges.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 95 "Detroit" Beta Build 1113        Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:28 pm 
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Battler wrote:
- Courage: Each of these builds mentions what OSR 2 build it was based on in its README. These builds are builds of Detroit, ie. 95 OSR 2.1, which is OSR 2 + USB support.


Thanks for clarifying it. So if I got this correctly, OSR 2.1 was developed in conjunction with OSR 2.0, and it had some backports from early Memphis (which explains the 'Memphis' string in 1113 and 1132). The 4.03.11xx version represents the build number of the USBSUPP stuff, but not the base OS. I can't find the README though. Do you mean the release notes?

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Windows 95 OSR2.x, Nashville/IE4 and Memphis formed a pretty big mess of code sharing back then from the looks of it. Still, there's some pretty cool builds from this period. :)

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It is a pre beta release of Memphis aka. Post release of Detroit


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 PostPost subject: Re: Windows 95 "Detroit" Beta Build 1113        Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 8:45 pm 
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- Maxwell: How is it a post-release of Detroit when Detroit RTM is from 1997 and is build 1212?

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