Why isn't there a shutdown screen in Windows ME?

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Why isn't there a shutdown screen in Windows ME?

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Why isn't there a shutdown screen but it only does some fancy visual glitches (I can't check if there's a logow.sys right now)?

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Re: Why isn't there a shutdown screen in Windows ME?

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I don't know what to tell you. I actually never noticed that until now.

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as I remember, atleast my OEM version only went to DOS, listed some lines and shut downed the PC

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Re: Why isn't there a shutdown screen in Windows ME?

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There is a shutdown screen. Logos.sys ("It is now safe to shutdown").
It's not supposed to be ever seen, because "designed for Windows Me" required working ACPI support in drivers (even though the ME support of ACPI was... funky).

My Optimus OEM version shut down without the screen, but after reinstalling, the screen appeared for a split moment before turning the power off.
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Re: Why isn't there a shutdown screen in Windows ME?

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You will only see that if you run it on a non-ACPI/APM capable system.
Even XP does have a shutdown screen as long as it's using a non-ACPI HAL.
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Re: Why isn't there a shutdown screen in Windows ME?

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I think this is the screen that Zacchi4k is talking about:
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This is what is stored in logow.sys in Windows 95/98. I guess ME doesn't have one.
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I would bet it's been done do (psychologically) shorten the shutdown time. Same thing with combining the IO.SYS and removing the config.sys parser at boot.
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Indeed Windows ME does have a Safe to Shutdown screen..

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Do any NT 6.0 versions have a safe to shutdown screen? Longhorn maybe, if not Vista or later?

Edit: speaking of safe to shutdown: 95

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Karzahni wrote:Do any NT 6.0 versions have a safe to shutdown screen? Longhorn maybe, if not Vista or later?

Edit: speaking of safe to shutdown: 95

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There might be a failsafe screen in case of ACPI shutdown fails, however after Longhorn reboot no NT 6.x could boot on non-ACPI systems anymore I think...

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yksoft1 wrote:Indeed Windows ME does have a Safe to Shutdown screen..

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this is the coolest logos.sys I've ever seen.
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yksoft1 wrote:
Karzahni wrote:Do any NT 6.0 versions have a safe to shutdown screen? Longhorn maybe, if not Vista or later?

Edit: speaking of safe to shutdown: 95

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There might be a failsafe screen in case of ACPI shutdown fails, however after Longhorn reboot no NT 6.x could boot on non-ACPI systems anymore I think...
What about the earlier(pre-reset) builds?

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The shutdown screen is definitely used in the early 4xxx builds. I'm not sure about 4051 and above, however.

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I have been actually wondering about the same thing. Why doesn't Windows ME have a logow.sys picture? Windows ME doesn't also have the first run picture (first run after install).
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I did find some resources in the final version of Vista by nitpicking around in Resource Hacker, with the 2006 WIM files (RTM).

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x010 wrote:What about the earlier(pre-reset) builds?
Looks like the Windows Xp one, except it shows the "Codename Longhorn" image that is on startup.

@pivotguy, Vista had non-acpi capability up until somewhere around beta 2, although they tried to hide it well.
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Re: Why isn't there a shutdown screen in Windows ME?

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These are the fancy visual glitches:
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I've also tried putting Windows 98 (SE)'s logow.sys but it completely ignores it.

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Re: Why isn't there a shutdown screen in Windows ME?

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Strictly speaking, the resources for the 'It's safe to shut down your computer' are still present in Windows 10. Here's what it looks like in the NT 6.X line of Windows.

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The shutdown screen exists in early builds of Windows ME:
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By the looks of it, the final build that had the shutdown screen is build 2419 (back when the "Windows Codename Millennium" boot screen was still in use), with newer builds no longer having the shutdown screen. There might be a logow.sys in newer builds of ME that use the final boot screen (2470+), but I'm not so sure yet.
ReztaNZ wrote:Strictly speaking, the resources for the 'It's safe to shut down your computer' are still present in Windows 10. Here's what it looks like in the NT 6.X line of Windows.

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Huh. By the looks of it, Microsoft never bothered to remove the resources for the old XP "Now Safe" screen except for the Windows logo, which for all I know could just be another resource entirely knowing that the same logo is used in the hibernation screen. That makes me curious, could resources for the old XP hibernation screen still exist in Windows 10?
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Windows OS wrote: Huh. By the looks of it, Microsoft never bothered to remove the resources for the old XP "Now Safe" screen except for the Windows logo, which for all I know could just be another resource entirely knowing that the same logo is used in the hibernation screen. That makes me curious, could resources for the old XP hibernation screen still exist in Windows 10?
The resources for 'hibernating...' still exist in Windows 10, inside ntoskrnl. Not sure that they are ever used however. Could give it a go and see

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ReztaNZ wrote: The resources for 'hibernating...' still exist in Windows 10, inside ntoskrnl. Not sure that they are ever used however. Could give it a go and see

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Cool. However, I don't think they are used since Vista+ just fades out and kills the display when hibernating. No progress indication for it.
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Speaking of this entire discussion about ACPI shutdown, I remember playing around with Windows 2000 on a Dell Optiplex machine that I had several years ago. Even though the machine normally powers off when I shut it down, I remember using some alternate shut down program that actually had a option for 2000 to shut down, but not send the ACPI shut down signal, thus landing me on the "Now Safe" screen. That was odd.
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Maybe someone should make a thread dedicated to finding old leftovers from previous OSes (like the research topics on GTPlanet, I remember contributing to them.)
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Karzahni wrote:Maybe someone should make a thread dedicated to finding old leftovers from previous OSes (like the research topics on GTPlanet, I remember contributing to them.)
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Karzahni, keep the offtopic stuff in the offtopic quotes, please. You can do that in the full editor.
I'm surprised that Windows 10 has a "It is now safe to turn off your computer" screen! I do want to try this out in my VMs!
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Re: Why isn't there a shutdown screen in Windows ME?

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last time i saw that text was on win98
and it was on machines that had ti be powered off manually

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