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Author:  ComputerHunter [ Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:16 am ]
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Did anyone manage to get DEMO.EXE running from those corrupted demo files?

Author:  Overdoze [ Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:29 am ]
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Half of it is zeroed too. Based on my quick look, the header looks somewhat like the header of DR5 EXEs, but it's hard to conclude anything more when the rest of the program is gone.

Obviously it won't run because of that, and even if it were complete, it wouldn't run on anything later than the Alpha, since the NE format is significantly different. In this state, it doesn't run in DR5 either.

Author:  johnlemon647 [ Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:12 pm ]
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Windows 1.0 Beta DEMO files have time stamp date 5-21-1984. This could been from Windows 1.0 DR1 was compile May 29, 1984 about same Time of Beta Demo File.

Author:  OltScript131 [ Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Windows 1.00 RTM Real?

I think it would be necessary to include these files demo in the FTP in "/(Misc) Incompletes/(Beta) Operating Systems /PC", more precisely... Even if they are fragments, unfortunately... :beta:

Author:  Overdoze [ Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:59 pm ]
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They're pretty much useless. The only thing left are file dates (which can easily be changed with some tools) and the header of demo.exe. And since the OP didn't provide any reliable evidence for their story, these aren't exactly confirmed as authentic either. I could just as easily put a bunch of zeroes in a file named A01.PIC, change the file date and say it's from a 1983 build of Windows that I found on a dying hard drive.

Aside from that, assuming these are authentic, we have no idea which build these came with, if any at all.

Author:  OltScript131 [ Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:16 pm ]
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ComputerHunter wrote:
BTW, The text file is the famous heuristic reasoning file and all other files were unreadable. I bet those files are for older betas as Windows 1.00 can't even open them except for TEXT.TXT and DEMO.EXE shows an error message saying DEMO.ICO Missing.

I do not have this kind of error message about DEMO.ICO...
I started it on Windows 1.0 DR5 and I have this message : « KERNEL: Failed loading - C:\WINDOWS\DEMO\DEMO.EXE » Or, I missed something... 8-)

Author:  ComputerHunter [ Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:35 am ]
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@Overdoze is right, there is no point. I sort of believe that it is real because what is the point of making fake demo files? You can't even get money for that... Anyway, I will go to that computer recycle center again, ask the stupid guy about the fake 1.00 and see what else I can find.

Actually I have no idea how they are corrupted, those game files were all zeroed as well BTW.

Author:  ComputerHunter [ Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:55 am ]
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@Jajan131, here is a string found in DEMO.EXE "DEMO.ICO Missing or bad" When you run it in Windows 1.01, it will show up. It also mentions DEMO.ICO again and I think DEMO.ICO is something important to the demo, not sure why (probably it uses it as a logo). Half of DEMO.EXE was zeroed, however from the other files and the first half, DEMO.EXE is a very early NE similar to those presented in DR5 and it is possibly an app that displays a slideshow of images and texts (from other files and the Windows 1.01 demo).
I also tried to put an icon in and name it as DEMO.ICO, no luck and I am not sure why it doesn't recognize the icon (possibly because the second half missing).

A01.PIC and A02.PIC were zeroed and from the look of it A01.PIC will be something like this:
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and A02.PIC is a Microsoft logo (from all the Pre-DR5 images).

Author:  johnlemon647 [ Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:25 am ]
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Overdoze wrote:
They're pretty much useless. The only thing left are file dates (which can easily be changed with some tools) and the header of demo.exe. And since the OP didn't provide any reliable evidence for their story, these aren't exactly confirmed as authentic either. I could just as easily put a bunch of zeroes in a file named A01.PIC, change the file date and say it's from a 1983 build of Windows that I found on a dying hard drive.

Aside from that, assuming these are authentic, we have no idea which build these came with, if any at all.



I do not think they are fakes. Nobody do not want fake Windows 1.0 demo build. I agrees with ComputerHunter I think these real Windows 1.0 Beta Demo Build

Author:  Overdoze [ Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:29 am ]
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I know right, who would wanna fake anything? It's not like it gets done all the time and is rather easy to do, especially in this case, as I said earlier.

Author:  ComputerHunter [ Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:19 am ]
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Well, faking files with no use is a wast of time... Still, people will get profit from the fake 1.00 but not those corrupted demo. Wondering if the computer recycle center guy faked the 1.00 ad put it on a computer with corrupted hard drive and try to get attention.

Author:  OltScript131 [ Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:57 pm ]
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@ComputerHunter : So ? News ? :)

Author:  JustZisGuy [ Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:49 pm ]
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Yeish, it's just the header from DR5's Notepad with the strings sloppily changed and some junk added.

Facepalm at the stupidity in this thread.

johnlemon647 wrote:
I do not think they are fakes. Nobody do not want fake Windows 1.0 demo build. I agrees with ComputerHunter I think these real Windows 1.0 Beta Demo Build

That sort of blind belief is how religions get started.

Author:  johnlemon647 [ Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:01 pm ]
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JustZisGuy wrote:
Yeish, it's just the header from DR5's Notepad with the strings sloppily changed and some junk added.

Facepalm at the stupidity in this thread.

johnlemon647 wrote:
I do not think they are fakes. Nobody do not want fake Windows 1.0 demo build. I agrees with ComputerHunter I think these real Windows 1.0 Beta Demo Build

That sort of blind belief is how religions get started.


I test out DEMO.EXE on Windows 1.0 DR5 it did not show a missing DEMO.ICO on Windows 1.0 DR5. DEMO.EXE do have missing DEMO.ICO inside MZ header. I so i did byte to byte comparisons on DEMO.EXE and NOTEPAD.EXE on Windows 1.0 DR5. DEMO.EXE is too small came from NOTEPAD.EXE. DEMO.EXE is little bit big came from NOTEPAD.RES.

Author:  ComputerHunter [ Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Windows 1.00 RTM Real?

I compared those two files, the header is similar to notepad, but after the header, it is completely different. The header is similar to clock.exe from DR5 as well, I guess all other exe files in DR5. The size of the file could be changed easily by the stupid person who made the stupid 1.00 fake. If it is real, only if, then it proves that beta already uses kernel.exe instead of mswin.exe.

@OltScript131, Jajan131 or what ever your name is, it was a different person when I went to the recycle center again. No luck, almost all of the machines there yesterday are unusable, only a few with Windows 95 and 98 installed.

Author:  ATeamInc [ Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:25 am ]
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ComputerHunter wrote:
@OltScript131, Jajan131 or what ever your name is, it was a different person when I went to the recycle center again. No luck, almost all of the machines there yesterday are unusable, only a few with Windows 95 and 98 installed.

Offtopic Comment
How did you change your username @OltScript131?

Author:  jagotu [ Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Windows 1.00 RTM Real?

Sigh.

Once again, it is completely fake.
Whoever made it doesn't even understand the format of the NE header. The strings are stored as first length and then the characters itself.

The real NOTEPAD.EXE has these bytes: 07 4E 4F 54 45 50 41 44, which is exactly "the string is 7 bytes long" and then ascii representation of NOTEPAD.
This fake DEMO.EXE has these bytes: 07 44 45 4D 4F 00 00 00, which says "the string is 7 bytes long" and then just 4 characters representing DEMO.

Also, "after the header, it is completely different" is incorrect. I hilighted identical parts and also marked in places where the string length is wrong. As you can see, only thing that's different are the strings and the random junk that was used to replace the strings.

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This is completely fabricated by somebody who doesn't know what he's doing (luckily) and as such I don't see any reason to keep on discussing it and making claims based on it.

Author:  OltScript131 [ Tue May 07, 2019 12:46 am ]
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Someone posted this on his blog about your little discovery ! :) :
https://dosworld.wordpress.com/2018/11/ ... emo-build/

Author:  BaRRaKudaRain42 [ Fri May 10, 2019 4:00 pm ]
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In my opinion it seems fake. Suspicious....

Author:  ComputerHunter [ Sat May 11, 2019 2:25 am ]
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It is fake.

Author:  johnlemon647 [ Sat May 11, 2019 2:31 am ]
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It make first Windows 1.0 Pre-DR5 fake

Author:  OltScript131 [ Thu May 23, 2019 3:13 pm ]
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I do not think it's fakes, for me, anyway, I still have little doubts... 8-)

Author:  johnlemon647 [ Fri May 24, 2019 3:34 am ]
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Hopefully where will true Windows 1.0 Pre-DR5 Build surface.

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