New informations (and photos) on Windows 1.00 Pre-DR5 !

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Your C looks too wide and the bottom line of F is too long.
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ComputerHunter wrote:The reconstruction of one image done (probably not):

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I've made the clock way too thick and the heuristic reasoning text is from another picture I found.
Might want to disable anti-aliasing.
AlphaBeta, stop brainwashing me immediately!

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@ComputerHunter : And in addition, you have taken my image of Windows 1.00 COMDEX Concept to redo it, then modify, and we see blur :? :x

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OltScript131 wrote:@ComputerHunter : And in addition, you have taken my image of Windows 1.00 COMDEX Concept to redo it, then modify, and we see blur :? :x
True... If you tell me what font you've used, then I could make one from scratch.. What ever font I tried, it doesn't look good and I decided to do it using your concept as a base... Sorry


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ComputerHunter wrote:I am reconstructing all the icons from 1983 Comdex Build. I still need to do 2 more Art, Calendar, Notepad and Clipboard. After I get all the icons in 64x64 modern ico format, I will convert them to the DR5 format and build sample apps using them on DR5.

I think it might be a bit hard to reconstruct Interface Manager with actual binaries because I am sure the NE format is completely different and those DOS apps are made for Interface Manager (not the same as the ones from MS Mouse).
It will more demo that than actual build end til real Interface Manager surface one day.

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I found the Windows Wish List (but it's half of the paper), probably 1982/83 :
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1982? It wasn't called Windows backed then when the GUI product started. But is was from ray ozzie... Likely to be something the around the RTM release.

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Here's some more:
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Found here. The article says the notes are dated "1/13/85", and judging by their contents, I would agree that they are from 1985.
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Windows 1.xx has been found give us hope one day we found Windows 1.00 Pre-DR5 Prerelease.

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Yes ! Moreover, we find more and more versions of Windows 1.x than a few years ago but nothing for the pre-DR5 except photos... :/

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OltScript123 Do have any luck with your Microsoft Contact Finding Windows 1.0 Pre DR5 Beta Builds.

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I don't think anybody will still have those builds. I know this sounds silly but why don't we contact Bill Gates? At least I am 100% sure he used the Tandy 2000 builds before and maybe he know some details about it.

We could also contact Tandy Trower and maybe he will have rare builds from 1985.

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johnlemon647 wrote:OltScript123 Do have any luck with your Microsoft Contact Finding Windows 1.0 Pre DR5 Beta Builds.
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If people say they have a Microsoft contact, they're usually not telling the truth. Especially with stuff this old. :/
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Expecting Microsoft folks to still remember things in detail after all this time is highly optimistic. Even more so if you think they'll just upload things for you (assuming they still have anything anyway).
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If we find Windows 1.0 Tandy 2000 Beta Build we need emulator can handle Tandy 2000 and is not PC Compatible Computers. Emulator like MESS can handle Tandy 2000.

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Given if we can find it (10^-10000000000000 % chance). Otherwise, stop dreaming and try to find more information about it.

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Windows 1.0 Tandy 2000 Beta Builds could came from one these Windows 1.0 DR's. Later Windows 1.0 Tandy 2000 Beta Build could come Windows 1.0 DR4. Microsoft could use one these Windows 1.0 DR's and they add color for Tandy 2000.

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Color support was likely already present, like it is in DR5. It's just that the PC release has no color graphics driver and thus displays all colors as shades of gray. So really the only unique thing about Tandy 2000 release's color features is that it actually had a color display driver.
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At the top of the image is a printed sheet of the screen, and half, would say :
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It be cool if Windows 1.0 DR5 and Windows 1.0 Alpha have Colors Support like in Windows 1.0 Tandy 2000. PC version of Windows 1.0 have they color support in Windows 1.0 BETA.

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Color support is already there in DR5, you just need a color display driver for it (which we don't have).
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Yeah, that is right. I tried to replace DISPLAY.EXE with a hacked one from Beta Release and it just hang or display an error. Wonder if it is possible to write/patch a driver for DR5 to display color. It looks like the Beta display drivers are completely different from DR5's driver which does not surprise me.

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My friend gave me a screenshot of Windows 1.0 DR5 running in 16 colors! He said drivers were also provided with earlier versions of Windows and it can be used in DR5. To prove he have the build, he can share one file from his build of DR5 which also supported DOS apps!

Download the screenshot and a text file here: http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?fi ... 4669843127

@johnlemon647, I think my friend also have the Tandy 2000 driver but he can't share it with you.

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Jerry056 wrote:My friend gave me a screenshot of Windows 1.0 DR5 running in 16 colors! He said drivers were also provided with earlier versions of Windows and it can be used in DR5. To prove he have the build, he can share one file from his build of DR5 which also supported DOS apps!

Download the screenshot and a text file here: http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?fi ... 4669843127

@johnlemon647, I think my friend also have the Tandy 2000 driver but he can't share it with you.
Except IBM CGA doesn't support color at 640x200, and Tandy 2000 only supports 8 colors at 640x400.
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