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 PostPost subject: New informations (and photos) on Windows 1.00 Pre-DR5 !        Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:01 pm 
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I found something interesting in the French magazine "Golden" of February 1984 ! :)
I just found 2 new photos of Windows 1.00 :beta: :
[Page : 59]
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[Page : 84]
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"The hardware environment boils down to 192 Kbytes of RAM, two floppy drives, a graphics display with bit-mapped and a mouse or mouse-compatible pointing device. Applications developed under MS-DOS are supported by MS-WIN. In addition, it guarantees total portability from one hardware to another.
Available in shop in April 1984, it will cost in OEM price between 60 and 320 F the copy according to the quantities."
[Translated with Google Translate]

Hmm, maybe it's the same version as the COMDEX 1983...
Apparently, we see the date, 2 days after the picture given by DiskingRound here : viewtopic.php?f=59&t=33155&p=386126#p386126

The magazine (With an interview with the former director of Microsoft France) (FR) : https://archive.org/stream/golden02#page/n55/mode/2up
In addition, what is interesting, they often call it : MS-WIN ! :D

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Jajan131 wrote:
Available in shop in April 1984

An article written in November 1983 and published in February 1984 was giving an April 1984 release for certain, yet the final product was only released more than 1.5 years later?
Sounds ridiculous enough...


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In the issue 05 (May 1984) on page 73, it is just written :

"MS-WIN adopted by European industry

12 European companies have adopted the MS-WIN environment developed by Microsoft for their computer. Recall that MS-WIN is a graphical extension to the MS-DOS operating system. Thomson for his Micro-Mega 16, Symag for his Orchid, Goupil for his 3, Olivetti for his M24 and 21, Compudata for his Tulip System 1, Nokia (Finland), Triumph-Adler, Siemens, Kontron, For the Apricot and finally Northern Telecom have all signed the agreement."
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Source : https://archive.org/stream/golden05#page/n71/mode/2up

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Jajan131 wrote:
Available in shop in April 1984

An article written in November 1983 and published in February 1984 was giving an April 1984 release for certain, yet the final product was only released more than 1.5 years later?
Sounds ridiculous enough...


Sorry for the double-post...

I do not think it was written in November 1983, this journal exists since December 1983/January 1984, and this article (And that journal) dates from February 1984 !

These photos have never been posted on BetaArchive, it's new here ! :beta: :D

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 PostPost subject: Re: New informations (and photos) on Windows 1.00 Pre-DR5 !        Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:36 pm 
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From what I know so far, there were two versions of a "Microsoft Windows Version 1.00": from Nov. 1, and Nov. 20 of 1983. The former is seen in this photo, found on some German website:
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The latter was featured in the ASCII computer magazine, and is linked in the OP. It is unknown which one was featured in the COMDEX demo of Nov. 29, 1983. Perhaps this meant that more than 1 pre-release of Windows 1.00 was sent to press?
And also in DR5 IIRC there is a reference to a DR1 from May 1984. This suggests that the Byte and Comdex demos were before the development releases. There also appears to be an unknown beta, perhaps the May Beta or a Premiere RC featured in the InfoWorld magazine, and there was a different Premiere Edition from October 1985 (member trueyanksfan had the disk 4 of it, only god knows who got them) and an SDK also exists.
This is my opinion, feel free to treat it as speculation and/or not true. This is based off of stuff I gathered from my few years in the beta scene. The best I can say though: it's a nice find. I had never seen these photos before.

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 PostPost subject: Re: New informations on Windows 1.00 Pre-DR5 !        Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:17 am 
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Jajan131 wrote:
xelloss wrote:
Jajan131 wrote:
Available in shop in April 1984

An article written in November 1983 and published in February 1984 was giving an April 1984 release for certain, yet the final product was only released more than 1.5 years later?
Sounds ridiculous enough...


Sorry for the double-post...

I do not think it was written in November 1983, this journal exists since December 1983/January 1984, and this article (And that journal) dates from February 1984 !

These photos have never been posted on BetaArchive, it's new here ! :beta: :D

I didn't mean that your find is ridiculous (it's quite interesting, actually): rather, it's ridiculous that in February 1983 MS was telling around that Windows would be released in two months, while in truth the product was still completely unfinished.


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xelloss wrote:
I didn't mean that your find is ridiculous (it's quite interesting, actually): rather, it's ridiculous that in February 1983 MS was telling around that Windows would be released in two months, while in truth the product was still completely unfinished.


Oh sorry, I misunderstood what you wrote... But it's true ! At Microsoft, they said it would market it in April 1984, but they never did, and this is not the first time ... If they had really marketed Windows in late 1983 or early 1984, everything would have been different now, for sure... !

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(member trueyanksfan had the disk 4 of it, only god knows who got them)

Yes but 3 out of 4 four of its floppy disks did not work very well... Fortunately, in December 2014, the member Alias gave us the original and functional diskettes of Windows Première Edition Edition : https://www.betaarchive.com/wiki/index. ... ows%3A1.00 !

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The best I can say though: it's a nice find. I had never seen these photos before.

Yes, it is true, but the last photo in the first post is more interesting because we see some Windows files that we had not seen before by this photo : https://www.betaarchive.com/wiki/images ... mdex23.png

The list :
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IBMBIO.COM
IBMDOS.COM
COMMAND.COM
CONFIG.SYS
WINDOWS    -  [A folder ?]
MSWININP.SYS
MSWINOUT.SYS
MSWIN.EXE
MSWIN.CUR
MSWIN.PAT
MSWIN.ICO  -  [What's it ??]
MSWIN.FON  -  [What's it ??]
TEXT.TXT
CALENDAR.TXT
A01.PIC
A02.PIC
A03.PIC    -  [Oh, a new picture !]

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 PostPost subject: Re: New informations on Windows 1.00 Pre-DR5 !        Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:33 pm 
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The list :
Code:
IBMBIO.COM
IBMDOS.COM
COMMAND.COM
CONFIG.SYS
WINDOWS    -  [A folder ?] Yes!
MSWININP.SYS
MSWINOUT.SYS
MSWIN.EXE
MSWIN.CUR
MSWIN.PAT  -  [What's it ??]
MSWIN.ICO  -  [What's it ??] This is icon file
MSWIN.FON  -  [What's it ??] This is raster font file
TEXT.TXT
CALENDAR.TXT
A01.PIC
A02.PIC
A03.PIC    -  [Oh, a new picture !]


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@marceg16579 : Heee, I know what those files want to say, but in fact I was saying what could be inside, and their names look interesting ! :beta:

I also made this list so it looks a bit like this : https://www.betaarchive.com/wiki/index. ... COMDEX1983

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 PostPost subject: Re: New informations (and photos) on Windows 1.00 Pre-DR5 !        Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:06 pm 
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In the pics you showed A01.PIC appears to be a christmas tree graphic with "Microsoft I".
In the COMDEX demo, A02.PIC appears to be a christmas tree graphic with "Microsoft II".
Perhaps A03.PIC is "Microsoft III", but I could be wrong. As for the MSWIN.ICO, I have no idea: it's not in DR5, but MSWIN is an executable used to open Windows, but in no other beta Win1 I know of has an "icon for Windows" AFAIK.

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This article from February 1984 doesn't seem to include the MS logo or roman numeral in A01.PIC

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And this BYTE article from December 1983 has lots of images too.

Including, Windows running on an Apple IIe.

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The latter one, I have seen, everyone has. The former one is new, nice find. None of the screenshots in the former article show any dates though so there is no way for knowing if it's before, after, or between the other builds from 11/1 and 11/20.

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Oh, that was the first time I'd seen the Apple photo.

These photos in InfoWorld would seem to be the earliest shots I've come across, given that Windows was announced on 10 November 1983. But again, I'm unsure if these have been posted before:

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This article from February 1984 doesn't seem to include the MS logo or roman numeral in A01.PIC

https://www.betaarchive.com/imageupload/2017-04/1492137246.th.34211.png


Oh, very interesting, I had never seen this picture before !
For all the other pictures, I had already seen and I think they have already been posted !

I also just found in the same magazine "Creative Computing" but from March 1984, an interview with Bill Gates, and we see that he talks about Windows : https://archive.org/stream/creativecomp ... 9/mode/2up

And yesterday I noticed, that between these two photos (Here and here), the text (often seen in the photos, remark) that you see in the windows is exactly similar !
And by searching this text on Google, I found it in a PDF file : http://www.sfu.ca/~jeffpell/papers/Roma ... tics85.pdf ! On the 2nd page !

Edit : What I did not notice, on this page, it talks about COMDEX 83, and there, about Windows : https://archive.org/stream/Creative_Com ... /mode/2up/ :beta: :P !

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And yesterday I noticed, that between these two photos (Here and here), the text (often seen in the photos, remark) that you see in the windows is exactly similar !
And by searching this text on Google, I found it in a PDF file : http://www.sfu.ca/~jeffpell/papers/Roma ... tics85.pdf ! On the 2nd page !

Yes, and if you follow the bibliographical reference you will see it comes from a certain book originally published in 1945, which can also be found in PDF format:

https://notendur.hi.is/hei2/teaching/Polya_HowToSolveIt.pdf

The cited text is at p.113.


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I've found a little information on Windows (7 May 1984) on the magazine InfoWorld : https://books.google.fr/books?id=ti4EAA ... snippet&q= ! :beta:
And the story of Windows, with informations very interesting on the first Windows (Computer Integrated Learning) : https://books.google.fr/books?id=A8-bBw ... =onepage&q !
And an excerpt from a book about Interface Manager and Multiplan (Page 176) : https://books.google.fr/books?hl=fr&id= ... ce+Manager !

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I also found the InfoWorld article yesterday when looking for more info and photos. And it basically confirms that the first developer release was shipped in May 1984.

Regarding Interface Manager: if the UI was already changed in 1982 as the book claims, then the build shown by December 1983 issue of BYTE must be at least a year old, and I'm not so sure why they would show off a year old build after the newer COMDEX build was already shown publicly. It's bad publicity to show something that's no longer used anyway. So to me, the only logical explanation is that this build predates the COMDEX build by a few months and the BYTE magazine was just incredibly slow at publishing the article (although the author does say that the interface they showed has been replaced by a newer one).

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Seeing as the Comdex build doesn't have any build date on the top, but it's already there in the Monthly ASCII build from the 20th and in the German website build from the 1st, I think we can safely conclude both this and the Comdex build was compiled before the 1st (unlike BetaWiki's claim).

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I also found the InfoWorld article yesterday when looking for more info and photos. And it basically confirms that the first developer release was shipped in May 1984.

Regarding Interface Manager: if the UI was already changed in 1982 as the book claims, then the build shown by December 1983 issue of BYTE must be at least a year old, and I'm not so sure why they would show off a year old build after the newer COMDEX build was already shown publicly. It's bad publicity to show something that's no longer used anyway. So to me, the only logical explanation is that this build predates the COMDEX build by a few months and the BYTE magazine was just incredibly slow at publishing the article (although the author does say that the interface they showed has been replaced by a newer one).

Take a look at this:
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Since DR5 mentions a "Microsoft windows 1.0 Development Release. 5-29-84" that proves DR1 was released in May-June 1984.

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Seeing as the Comdex build doesn't have any build date on the top, but it's already there in the Monthly ASCII build from the 20th and in the German website build from the 1st, I think we can safely conclude both this and the Comdex build was compiled before the 1st (unlike BetaWiki's claim).


Well we don't really know if that version/date string is displayed there all the time, or if it's triggered by some user action (and if is, which action would that be?). We know that the status bar is empty by default in the comdex build but can display info based on what the user does - at least two things can be displayed there. The first is date and time (through the system menu using the button on the right), second is additional info/tip when resizing a window.

In any case, we know there's at least two different builds from November and possibly more, depending on the above.

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I just found a very old post (March 2003) talking about Windows 1.0 "BYTE" : https://landley.net/history/mirror/ms/w ... geone.html :beta:
Unfortunately, all the other pages no longer work... Except this one... :o

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I just found a very old post (March 2003) talking about Windows 1.0 "BYTE" : https://landley.net/history/mirror/ms/w ... geone.html :beta:
Unfortunately, all the other pages no longer work... Except this one... :o

There is the full Byte article about that build on Nathan Lineback's website: http://toastytech.com/guis/win1983.html

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