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 PostPost subject: Possible Windows 2.0 Beta        Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:01 am 
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Hey BetaArchive!

Was just digging around Microsoft's Windows History page, and found this image

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Now the description of the image said "The Windows 2.0 Desktop", but is not what I have seen before!

Let me know whether this is a possible beta of Windows 2.0!


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 PostPost subject: Re: Possible Windows 2.0 Beta        Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:48 am 
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Isn't that exactly Windows 1.0?


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 PostPost subject: Re: Possible Windows 2.0 Beta        Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:14 am 
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Probably not.

Microsoft did make that History page...

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 PostPost subject: Re: Possible Windows 2.0 Beta        Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:15 am 
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WindowsCollector2000 wrote:
Probably not.

Microsoft did make that History page...

Maybe it was a typo.

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That is definitely Windows 1.0x, as Windows 2.x has arrows for the minimize/maximize buttons. For some reason, it was used instead of a Windows 2.x screenshot.

Here's the link: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/history#T1=era2

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Indeed this screenshot shows Windows 1.0, the other image on the Windows 2.0 page (box art) correctly shows Windows 2.0. Probably mistake on the part of whoever wrote the content, and it's not like they care much about it either.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Possible Windows 2.0 Beta        Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:23 am 
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That is definitely Windows 1.0x, as Windows 2.x has arrows for the minimize/maximize buttons. For some reason, it was used instead of a Windows 2.x screenshot.

Here's the link: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/history#T1=era2

Or maybe this is an undiscovered Windows 2 beta! I mean, you never know...


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Don't forget that super early debug version of Windows 3.0 that runs in protected mode (standard mode) had everything else with a 2.11 appearance.

So an early beta of 2, could look a lot like 1.0

Or someone just made a mistake.

Much like how plenty of people lump NT 3.1/3.5/3.51 as the same thing, simply because to the end user they look the same.

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Yes. Windows 3.0's early moments were 2.0 only! So why not Windows 2.0 be very similar to 1.0!

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Yes. Windows 3.0's early moments were 2.0 only! So why not Windows 2.0 be very similar to 1.0!

Absolutely not. Only the ISV build had the Windows 2.0 UI because ISV builds do not include UI changes. The Anti-Trust documents also talk about a Chicago ISV build from early 1993 with the new kernel but Windows 3.1 UI. Yet we have a Microsoft video showing an almost 58s-like UI already in Chicago in December 1992, proving that the UI there but ISV builds omit UI changes so the ISV builds didn't have the new UI.

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I thought the consumer 32bit OS started development in 93 where it would have looked a lot more like 3.1, just as Win32s was from what? 92?

My point being that depending on the cycle, they easily could have used a 'stable' top stack while changing stuff underneath.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Possible Windows 2.0 Beta        Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:11 am 
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There's literally nothing in that image that suggests it's Windows 2.0. Thus claiming it is Windows 2.0 because someone put the image onto Windows 2.0 page is a rather lousy thing to do.

As said, it's far more likely for this to be a simple mistake rather than an actual Windows 2.0 beta.

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- louisw3: Chicago started developing in late 1992, and we have a video showing builds from December 1992 and January 1993, which don't look that different from 58s. Add to that that the Chicago UI was ported from Cairo, so the UI itself was probably even older.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Possible Windows 2.0 Beta        Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:51 am 
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Sorry about the giant bump, but here you go. One screenshot of a real Windows 2.0 beta from March(?) 1987:
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Source: InfoWorld, April 6th, 1987. (https://books.google.com.br/books?id=lj0EAAAAMBAJ)
The magazine predates any known Windows 2.x. Even if there was a Windows 2.0 RTM version from that time frame, the way the article was worded (especially the language used: "Windows 2.0 will... blah..blah..blah.") makes me 100% positive it's a beta. I've actually already posted this in another topic I created, but posting it again will make it easy to find.

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The same pre-release version of Microsoft Windows 2.0 is also described in this issue of the Microsoft Systems Journal (May 1987) available here: http://www.pcjs.org/pubs/pc/magazines/msj/MSJ-1987-05/

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The same pre-release version of Microsoft Windows 2.0 is also described in this issue of the Microsoft Systems Journal (May 1987) available here: http://www.pcjs.org/pubs/pc/magazines/msj/MSJ-1987-05/

Dang, those screens are better than mine. thx.
There are at least two other issues of InfoWorld that show Windows 2.0 betas, but generally about other applications and stuff. Since no build number is disclosed in that article, we will never know how they were numbered, although a hint could be given by a "Windows 1.03.04" beta, of which a screenshot is available.

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There are at least two other issues of InfoWorld that show Windows 2.0 betas, but generally about other applications and stuff. Since no build number is disclosed in that article, we will never know how they were numbered, although a hint could be given by a "Windows 1.03.04" beta, of which a screenshot is available.


Not sure what that fake screenshot has to do with this topic.

But nice find I must say. Windows 2.0 is actually one of the last (if not THE last) versions that we don't have a pre-release build of, hopefully some floppies will pop-up eventually. :)

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Hee, and we also see on certain pages, version 2.00, apparently : Here and here ! :beta: :D

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Thanks SoftPCMuseum from the screenshots! Hero.

I do wonder if 2.0 betas were sceneleaked, but all the stuff from that era I know of refers to games only

- Overdoze: No, we also don't have 2.1X betas. Any proof that's fake? To me it looks as real as can be.

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DiskingRound wrote:
I do wonder if 2.0 betas were sceneleaked, but all the stuff from that era I know of refers to games only


Highly unlikely. We're more likely to get this from actual physical media.

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- Overdoze: No, we also don't have 2.1X betas. Any proof that's fake? To me it looks as real as can be.


I meant all 2.x releases, but yeah, we don't have any betas of that.

If you tinker with Windows 1.x bootscreen you'll get the same garbage displayed at the bottom, which are just strings and code that sits immediately after the bootscreen. Also, keep in mind that nothing can be proclaimed real unless it can actually be verified by the community. You can't really prove anything with a single screenshot.

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Also, keep in mind that nothing can be proclaimed real unless it can actually be verified by the community. You can't really prove anything with a single screenshot.

Clearly the leak of a new beta, or even a screenshot, is valuable when it details previously unknown information about the development process.
These screenshots don't reveal anything new, so they are nice to see, but not really valuable.

But "not real"? Even though their legitimacy cannot be proved beyond doubt, these screenshots were published by magazines, including a Microsoft magazine, before the official release of Windows 2.0: so the chances that they may be fake are razor-thin.


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I was talking to DiskingRound regarding the Windows 1.03.04 screenshot he mentioned... I've no doubt these 2.0 screenshots are legit.

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That is definitely Windows 1.0x, as Windows 2.x has arrows for the minimize/maximize buttons. For some reason, it was used instead of a Windows 2.x screenshot.

Here's the link: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/history#T1=era2


The link is dead, apparently... :beta: :(

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Wonder why this ancient post of mine got revived...

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Sorry about the giant bump

That's alright, just didn't know a topic that was technically answered would be bumped after a year of it's absence.
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Windows 2.0 is actually one of the last (if not THE last) versions that we don't have a pre-release build of

Unless you count Odyssey (which may not have been compiled, but heck, only employees of that time know!), and Blackcomb (if compiled), then yes, 2.0 is the only we have without any pre-release versions of.
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Hee, and we also see on certain pages, version 2.00, apparently : Here and here !

That looks like Windows 1.0, with Windows 2.0 buttons.
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Welcome to the Windows 2.0 Beta Topic, everyone. :?

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I do wonder if 2.0 betas were sceneleaked, but all the stuff from that era I know of refers to games only

Depends on how Windows 1.0 DR5-Beta got here in the first place. I wasn't here to see the leakage of Windows 1.0 Betas, probably a few years before I joined. If 1.0 Pre-releases were sceneleaked, then 2.0 could've been sceneleaked.
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The link is dead, apparently...

Yes, it takes me to a Windows 7 page. Lucky I downloaded that image before that changed.

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