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 PostPost subject: Rules to get 10 messages to view public and private servers        Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:15 pm 
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Hello,
I'm sorry but i think this idea is stupid. Why force people to post things to gain access to this list ?

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I have a public server, and i would like to fetch some archive that i've lost, but you cannot force people to post to get their 10 messages !

Beta could be very useful for those who likes old software, i've got no problems from microsoft for my betas, so why keep them locked ?

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No warez (warez is things that you would normally pay for and is a completed product by a company)
No copyrighted software


but Beta are copyrighted softwares, also as source code, so why hide servers? It's illegal. Point.


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:47 pm 
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The main reason there's a 10-post limit is because places like this attract people who sign up here just to get the FTP usernames/passwords, then leave the forum. We want people to hang around a bit, and contribute positively to the community, so we can grow larger. We've also had problems in the past with people signing up, grabbing all of the FTP details, and leaking them to another forum which is not good as it means less resources for the community here while the other forum chokes our limited FTP bandwidth.

It sucks, but it's a measure we need to take. You've got over 10 posts now so you should be fine. :)

Also, with regards to the "No copyrighted software" ... I think its trying to reference warez software (as in, retail stuff). Sure betas are copyrighted, but they're rare, and were never something you could go and buy (unless you paid $20 for a Customer Preview Program CD to be shipped to you), therefore most software companies won't come after you if you're helping to make available older betas for historical purposes. This might need to be changed in the rules, it is a little confusing.

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:08 am 
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Hu, i don't want to post 10 posts to get theses access but I don't want to see a filled of unintresstig posts.

Due to copyright problem, the problem is the tolerance of the editors. Many of them doesn't care about theses, unless you do commercial on it.

I think so it could be better to change it on the rules ;-)
If somes of you are intrested to bring a great database of old operating system, tell me.
There is a small exemple here :
http://anotherworld.eu.org/Anonymous_FT ... ing_System


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:38 am 
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The rules arn't going to be changed.

Why do people like you think they deserve access to a wide range of servers, archives of Beta OS's, for doing nothing?

In a way, posting is the way to help pay for the Servers, if you let everyone access to them, then the speeds, and the bandwidth get used up in the first day.

The Servers are not free you know, the users (if not there parents) have to pay to run these servers, and they are doing it for nothing for there users, so what if you have to post 10 or so good posts, it isn't a high price to pay.

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:48 am 
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I pay £60 ($125) a month for the 10Mbps dedicated server that holds the mass majority of files available on this website. Its is expensive and it sucks away pretty much all of my student allowance, which, to be fair, isnt all that much (£20 a week).

I host this server because I know people love it. I don't have to pay this money for the server, I have plenty of space at home for storing my BETAs (and I do store them at home), but I do it because I enjoy it more than anything.

I dont ask for donations because I know Ill never get any. In the two years Ive run my other help website Ive had one donation and many millions of visitors. I pay for it with my own money, so please don't complain when there are rules and enforcements in place. If you had a server you would do exactly the same when it gets leeched to death and you have to pay bandwidth overages of £1 per GB.

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:00 am 
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Perfectly said, Andy.

We should all, all be aware that this server has not been given by God or whoever, but by you and is paid by you although we don't give you any money back for that great server that is fast, reliable and offers sufficient storage. Honestly, if this server weren't there, we would not have many possibilities to adequately store and serve the files because private servers run from home are usually slower and mostly not permanently available. I say mostly.

And I share the opinion it's more than justifiable if there's the rule to enforce people to make 10 contributing posts before they get access to the servers. Let's be honest, 10 posts is actually nothing. This is a contributing and sharing community, not meant for leechers. If the server access weren't protected somehow, how many people do you think would join here, grab the server login details and then vanish forever?

People should recognize the value of a) such a community, b) such a server and c) the betas on it. I do, as I am a beta collector and am happy that I have been given a second chance after I didn't manage to be very active on OSBA and have no idea what goodies were on its servers (and might now be partly lost forever). I hope this community gets at least as good, and I think it's on the best way possible to achieve that.

To sum it up, seeing how much I get from this site, I am more than willing to give something back in return, a) contributing posts and b) uploads to the server. And everyone here should, in my eyes, think so. If you complain about the fact that the servers are somehow protected, you have, in my eyes, failed to recognize the concept we're following here.

Just my $0.02...


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:05 am 
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Another well said post.

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:13 am 
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Don't be embarrased by it. You're simply standing your ground like any respecting member should do.

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atomcomputer wrote:
Hu, i don't want to post 10 posts to get theses access but I don't want to see a filled of unintresstig posts.

Due to copyright problem, the problem is the tolerance of the editors. Many of them doesn't care about theses, unless you do commercial on it.

I think so it could be better to change it on the rules ;-)
If somes of you are intrested to bring a great database of old operating system, tell me.
There is a small exemple here :
http://anotherworld.eu.org/Anonymous_FT ... ing_System

windows 1.00 is 1.03 on that site ;)


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:35 pm 
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Hu, i don't want to post 10 posts to get theses access but I don't want to see a filled of unintresstig posts.

Due to copyright problem, the problem is the tolerance of the editors. Many of them doesn't care about theses, unless you do commercial on it.

I think so it could be better to change it on the rules ;-)
If somes of you are intrested to bring a great database of old operating system, tell me.
There is a small exemple here :
http://anotherworld.eu.org/Anonymous_FT ... ing_System

windows 1.00 is 1.03 on that site ;)


I checked this out right away. Found the same thing :wink:

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Andy wrote:
I pay £60 ($125) a month for the 10Mbps dedicated server that holds the mass majority of files available on this website. Its is expensive and it sucks away pretty much all of my student allowance, which, to be fair, isnt all that much (£20 a week).


You know, it's the same for me. I pay ~$40 for a 100mbits dedicated server that hold ~15website. I work at McDonald's, and I get ~$600 for 80Hours a month :-/

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I host this server because I know people love it. I don't have to pay this money for the server, I have plenty of space at home for storing my BETAs (and I do store them at home), but I do it because I enjoy it more than anything.


I think so that's true ;-)


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I dont ask for donations because I know Ill never get any. In the two years Ive run my other help website Ive had one donation and many millions of visitors. I pay for it with my own money, so please don't complain when there are rules and enforcements in place. If you had a server you would do exactly the same when it gets leeched to death and you have to pay bandwidth overages of £1 per GB.


I know that it's not funny to be leeched and to have to pay for this :-(
Can you do QoS? I know that if there is this only solution, this is the only thing to reduce traffic :'(

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Yes, perfectly said

nothing to add ;)

In fact, If I can help you to mirror max of betas, that could be great. I haven't BW limit. In France, we have a lot of dedicated server for a very small price due to the concurence between the national operator and some outsiders. Severals days ago, the Belgium was in this case and before it was the England ...

Oh, i've renamed windows 1.00 to 1.03, a badly error ;)
Thank you very much for your discussion. I think i'll stay here for a long time ;)


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Glad you didn't get drawn away by our discussion and reaction to your idea. I was afraid it might have been a bit harsh. But I think you can now understand that and why we need and want to protect our server and bandwidth from being leeched/stolen by other people if they don't contribute.


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:47 pm 
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I understand well that you say. It was harsh but, I prefere that because it's clear. And, in most of cases (on other forums), the moderators preferes delete the message instand of a discussion. A debate is more instructive than an hard moderation ;-)
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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:51 pm 
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Hi, sorry about the bump, but it seemed more logical to say it in this thread. What's this about applying for the Members group? How would I go about that, or is it automatic, something to do with the number of posts?


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You read the contributions rules and that will tell you how to do it.

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Might i also add that it's not that hard to get into the members group, so anyone with English skills and any sort of knowledge should be able to get in, right?

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:53 pm 
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Just about yes. As long as you contribute to beta topics etc then you have every chance of getting in, no matter how little knowledge you have.

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OK. I've done it, thanks. There's some great stuff there, and I would like to contribute in any way I can.

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That's easy :) Just stay around here, make proper discussion and upload if you have something to upload :D That's all we ask for. :)


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Good idea. Hopefully it will stop people gaining access so easily.

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No, its not. And I should remind you none of your posts so far are contributing posts so don't think you can sign up to the group and be accepted. I do check all posts.

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It's not bad. We don't want leechers to come here and leech our files without doing any contribution.

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What do you think – how big is the chance we'll see him again? :wink:


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:59 pm 
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Id say 0 in 10. Ive deleted the user. Its obvious he/she just wanted access to the servers and went offline after 10 posts. Easily spotted spammer.

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