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Which one do you vote for?
Option 1 - Home server 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Option 2 - Torrents 30%  30%  [ 7 ]
Option 3 - New dedicated 9%  9%  [ 2 ]
Option 4 - Existing dedicated + home server 61%  61%  [ 14 ]
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 PostPost subject: Solving the space problem take 2        Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:03 am 
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Right. Here we go again. The new hosting company is no good, so now we need to think of more new options. I have these:-

1. I run a server from home, all the space we'll ever need, but max 20KB/s and we'll need donations to pay for the electricity (£10/month. Not a lot but my dad will complain otherwise).

2. Torrents. Ill run the tracker if I can get it working. Max speed 20KB/s until people download and seed.

3. We get a new server from the same company as the current dedicated. That will cost £60/month, and I can't pay for it myself, no way.

4. We keep the server we currently have, and delete old files from it. Those files will be available from my server at 20KB/s.

This is all I can think of. Whatever happens Ill have a copy of everything here at home.

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I would say to keep the existing servers, and delete all the Windows Vista, Windows XP, and Windows 2000 retail versions, since they're technicall WareZ.
Well... or move them to the other people's FTP servers, like onto ki-chi-mi's, or Mindchild's FTP server. ;)

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I voted for the last option, as that seems to be the most sensible choice.

Running a 250 Gb FTP server with only 20kb/s is just plain stupid and pointless in my opinion. Torrents are a good idea, but nobody will ever seed, that's what usually happens, and also, what's to stop somebody uploading the torrent file to a large torrent site, and you'll have loads of people leaching off the site then. A new dedicated server is the best idea, but as you said, it's just too expensive, so that rules that option out. The idea of having the lastest and most popular files on a dedicated server and the other not-so-popular or old files on a slower connection seems like a good idea, if somebody really wants those files, they'll wait for the download, and in the mean time, they're not taking up space where it's needed ...

There you go, that's my opinion ... says he who never uses the FTP ... :lol:

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Couldn't you cancel the current dedicated server and get a new one with more space, but the same specs? I will cast my vote after my question has been answered ;)

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Jeff wrote:
Couldn't you cancel the current dedicated server and get a new one with more space, but the same specs? I will cast my vote after my question has been answered ;)


Not technically. Reason sent in a PM. Keep it to yourself.

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nah, I say delete the old stuff
We should start with thye vista 64bit, there're 3.5+GB

then we'll have a boteon what vista 32bitbuildsshould we delete

and get rid of the reatil stuff

the server is goodenough to hold 100+whisttler builds but not for vista, so we should keep the beta buildsof NT5, XP and Server 2003


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I vote option 4. Maybe put the smaller (whistler) betas on the home one, so it isn't painstaking to download a 4gb vista build on the slow connection.

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OK, so here how it sounds like its going to go:

We go with option 4, dedicated and home server.

We delete ALL retail software, that includes XP, 2003, Vista etc. They're retail, therefore illigal to distribute.

Files not downloaded often will be removed and accessible only from the home server. That should definately free up about 30-40gb of space in total. As we get full again, old software/builds gets moved again. BETA's/Abandonware take priority over shareware/freeware.

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I'd say delete all the retail builds which shouldn't be there anyway and move some of the really large and less wanted (i.e. 64bit) Vista builds off to your home server. Just moving the Vista RTM ISO, the Vista WinBeta release and some of the Vista x64 betas would easily free up 10 gigs and more...


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I can't delete anything just yet, my storage server is still getting copies for backup. 40gb in the list but I won't be downloading that much. Itll skip files that already exist or resume unfinished files.

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or...we could have a leeching contest, download all the beta's we want, and if, say another longhorn build is released, host the build on the dedecated server, and when everyones dun dloading it, put it onto andys home connection or someone else's?

Just a thought

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I think move all of the Vista betas (especially the x64s, as they're so big) to the home server and just keep some major milestones on the fast server. Maybe give a couple of weeks notice of when they're going to be removed, so anyone that wants them can get them. It would be a shame to see the RTM stuff go, but I can understand you not wanting to have "illegal" files on your server.

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Vista Ultimate R2 wrote:
I think move all of the Vista betas (especially the x64s, as they're so big) to the home server and just keep some major milestones on the fast server. Maybe give a couple of weeks notice of when they're going to be removed, so anyone that wants them can get them. It would be a shame to see the RTM stuff go, but I can understand you not wanting to have "illegal" files on your server.


RTM's will be available on the home server.

What I was also thinking of doing was allowing CD/DVD compilations to be sent by post (UK only). I say UK only because its safer and cheaper.

Id do what I normally do, 25p/cd, 50p/dvd plus 50p postage. Payment by paypal. Sounds easy enough. That way you get it on CD/DVD and its harder to lose (eg no HD crash etc).

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I get my linux from Malaysia by mail, how much would you charge for overseas?


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AnDrEwP182 wrote:
I get my linux from Malaysia by mail, how much would you charge for overseas?


Id have to get a quote from the post office, but the main reason I didn't want to is the risk of the disk getting caught and it backfiring on the person it gets sent to.

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kk, I will use my bluray burner and burn my own!


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For the CD issue, what I do when I give CDs with software/OS to that might not be very legal. I usually put it in a mislabeled password protected, encrypted RAR file, it allows you to hold more data and it makes it hard for anyone to see what is on it.

If you do make a CD can you please ship it to Canada :P


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Ill see what I can do. Got to be careful though. The postoffice might get suspicious when all these similarly shaped cd packets keep getting sent around the world!

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put them in different containers, or put them on USB vaults so you can transport them micro. And is it legal to open mail and analize the software when you work for the royal post?


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put them in different containers, or put them on USB vaults so you can transport them micro. And is it legal to open mail and analize the software when you work for the royal post?


They can't open it without permission from the police if they think its suspicious as far as I know. But customs, when it leaves the UK, might not be the same.

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Just stay away from the US, they really check hard and nasty and I met it.


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If you wanted to post things really really securely:
http://www.truecrypt.org/

It's encryption software that works extremely well ... you'd make a 650MB TrueCrypt image, and load stuff onto it, then burn it onto a CD. It will look like a big file with just plain jibberish. There's also a plausible deniability feature: a second password. If you're questioned about the contents of the CD (that is assuming they can tell its a TrueCrypt archive, which is pretty hard to prove), you can give the second password, and all they'll see is a few bogus documents. There's absolutely no way to prove a second password (to get to the real files) exists without brute-forcing it. And, if you wanted more security than a password, you can use a keyfile, so you could have a 5mb file of random garbage that unlocks the archive. They've thought of everything. :D

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wouldn't jibberish flag it at customs for even longer?


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pr0gram the pr0grammer wrote:
If you wanted to post things really really securely:
http://www.truecrypt.org/

It's encryption software that works extremely well ... you'd make a 650MB TrueCrypt image, and load stuff onto it, then burn it onto a CD. It will look like a big file with just plain jibberish. There's also a plausible deniability feature: a second password. If you're questioned about the contents of the CD (that is assuming they can tell its a TrueCrypt archive, which is pretty hard to prove), you can give the second password, and all they'll see is a few bogus documents. There's absolutely no way to prove a second password (to get to the real files) exists without brute-forcing it. And, if you wanted more security than a password, you can use a keyfile, so you could have a 5mb file of random garbage that unlocks the archive. They've thought of everything. :D

Yeah, encrypt it so that a key is neede to decode it or they can just use try all keys to open it. A rar password won't do.


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