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 PostPost subject: Old computer in a toy store and in bowling alley        Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:02 pm 
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Sorry I couldn't actually get a picture of it, but I noticed at my local Toys R Us store, there was a desk somewhere in the store and there was an old IBM computer that looked 1980's style that had something like DOS installed and there was an old Lexmark printer next to it as well. WTF would a modern toy store like Toys R Us have such an old computer?

Also, at my local bowling alley, at the front desk, there was 3 computers and all of them had DOS installed! Why do some places still have things that old?

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'Cause the software does what it needs to do.


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But a lot of buisnesses at least have Windows 2000 on their PCs if not Windows XP or Vista.

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Presumably the software is used for simple input/out-putting data like which lanes are booked and product checks so there's no need to upgrade their systems if they work fine as they are.

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I've seen IBM Point of Sale systems used in stores around here before, some with pole displays and some with old 9 Inch IBM Monitors. I've also seen a lot of NCR Point of Sale systems here.

They just do what the user's want them to do. That's pretty much all you need for things like that.


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OK at my very first job, we had an order entry system that was text based (not DOS, but rather using telnet into a SCO (later Linux) box to work with it). I for one am a very big fan of text apps but most people are not thus there was a lot of bitching about the system. Here's why people will never switch away...

You need to figure in cost, licensing software, upgrading terminals/workstations, the importing (and possiable conversion) of data, etc.

You need to figure in the training on new systems, and when dealing with something like Toys 'R Us you need to figure in training about 2000 managers which in turn will probably train 15-20 employees on the system.

You need to figure in the new equipment and the setup it will take.

You need to figure in all data conversion and what you will loose, which with TRS it will be a lot of data, they don't really delete the old sales from 1980's.

You also need to figure in why fix what's not broken?

When you look at this in the eye of business, it's not worth it, at all.


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But I have noticed that whenever a new OS comes out like Vista, buiness and enterprises are usually the people that are the most hesitant about upgrading and if they get new computers after Vista has been launched, and they have Vista pre-installed, they will downgrade them to XP or 2000.

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squidward_ wrote:
But I have noticed that whenever a new OS comes out like Vista, buiness and enterprises are usually the people that are the most hesitant about upgrading and if they get new computers after Vista has been launched, and they have Vista pre-installed, they will downgrade them to XP or 2000.


See my post above.


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Simplest answer:
If a pc can still perform the task's required of it, then there is no immediate need to upgrade.


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OK at my very first job, we had an order entry system that was text based (not DOS, but rather using telnet into a SCO (later Linux) box to work with it). I for one am a very big fan of text apps but most people are not thus there was a lot of bitching about the system. Here's why people will never switch away...

You need to figure in cost, licensing software, upgrading terminals/workstations, the importing (and possiable conversion) of data, etc.

You need to figure in the training on new systems, and when dealing with something like Toys 'R Us you need to figure in training about 2000 managers which in turn will probably train 15-20 employees on the system.

You need to figure in the new equipment and the setup it will take.

You need to figure in all data conversion and what you will loose, which with TRS it will be a lot of data, they don't really delete the old sales from 1980's.

You also need to figure in why fix what's not broken?

When you look at this in the eye of business, it's not worth it, at all.


Which is why I still use DOS as often as not; in many cases it's faster because there's less gunk clogging up the memory.

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I hate anything that only uses the keyboard and not the mouse. The first time I used a computer when I was 4 years old, that video game on it only used a keyboard, this was at the nursery I went to, but it is only just now they have upgraded the computers.

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The post office near here still uses DOS. They also use LCD displays. DOS on an LCD looks strange to me. Besides, I guess using DOS stops the employees from using the PCs for non-work related stuff.

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Which is why I still use DOS as often as not; in many cases it's faster because there's less gunk clogging up the memory.

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Not only is there a terrible lack of drivers, (try using you digital camera) but almost all programs except basic word publishing do not exist in DOS...

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At my job, all we need is a computer that can run "InTouch Kitchen Services," which is pretty much all touch screen based commands. The program requires USB connections (so, Windows 95 on), networking between all 3 computers and a receipt reel in the back of the store (so each station knows what needs to be made for the customer, and our credit card and time clock program. All of these are integrated and can run on Windows 2000 or XP (two of them run XP, and the other one runs 2000). Take a look at McDonald's next time to run in, and you'll see most of their "queued" food meals are text based, it's almost MS-DOS like.

So not all companies need upgrading. Some businesses don't even use computers, but just register computers that run a simple program, rather than allowing a million programs to run on them. This may be done to prevent their employees from playing games (Solitaire) or going online during work.

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Seeing as were all saying the various place's we've seen legacy pc's being used in buisnesses...
I bought a pizza today, noticed the shop still uses the old DOS computers they got back in the early 90's
Don't see why any buisness really needs to upgrade, its not as if having an old computer is going to effect the taste of my pizza...


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mdogg wrote:
The post office near here still uses DOS. They also use LCD displays. DOS on an LCD looks strange to me. Besides, I guess using DOS stops the employees from using the PCs for non-work related stuff.


Australia post? I think thats standard Australia wide... cause they use the exact same setup here... except I think they're installed with like Win2000 and running DOS or something...


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mdogg wrote:
The post office near here still uses DOS. They also use LCD displays. DOS on an LCD looks strange to me. Besides, I guess using DOS stops the employees from using the PCs for non-work related stuff.


Australia post? I think thats standard Australia wide... cause they use the exact same setup here... except I think they're installed with like Win2000 and running DOS or something...

I think the Australia Post workers deserve solitare, ya know, to stay saine
Last time I went into one of those places, they were having an arguement as to why you can't get clocks that go anti-clockwise.


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The Computers in the back section (Mail Sorting) of Australia Post run on Windows XP with a mix of Windows 2000 machines thrown in, they have Solitaire installed, but unless you get the chance to actually use the systems inbetween handling tens of thousands of letters packages a day then yeah, count yourself lucky.

Step-Dad works for them, I drop in every now and again to say Hi.

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I bet in 20 years from now, people will be questioning why computers are still using Windows Vista or Windows 7. :D

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I bet in 20 years from now, people will be questioning why computers are still using Windows Vista or Windows 7. :D

I'm pretty sure people will still wonder why they're still running DOS.


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I suppose DOS is OK if you want to do a simple task like typing a letter or something.

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I suppose DOS is OK if you want to do a simple task like typing a letter or something.


If someone, like a bowling alley or a retail store only needs to run 1 app, why bother upgrading to a GUI-based OS if DOS works?

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I was thinking maybe because using a mouse is easier to navigate things?

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I was thinking maybe because using a mouse is easier to navigate things?
Well, Microsoft did release "Microsoft Mouse" for the MS-DOS Operating environment. I believe I have a copy of Mouse 3.0 somewhere for DOS, and it enables programs like Edit, Qbasic, and MS-DOS Shell to have a mouse-enabled interface, rather than having a keyboard.

So if the business did want to use a mouse, they can with DOS! :)

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