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Should Microsoft donate Longhorn to the Open-Source community?
Definitly YES!!!!! 76%  76%  [ 13 ]
YES! 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
Not Sure/Don't Know/Don't Care/NULL 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
Heck NO! 12%  12%  [ 2 ]
What's Longhorn? 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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I was looking over the rules and it said that warez (completed product you must pay for) is not okay on this board.

Longhorn isn't finished and you don't have to pay for Longhorn it's considered out of date and now they're saying that the new copyright law means Longhorn is legal.

Is Longhorn legal on the BetaArchive??
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Anything not in BETA or not freely available to download (Vista is freely available BTW) is considered illigal.


Depends what you mean by "freely available", I guess ;)

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Anything not in BETA or not freely available to download (Vista is freely available BTW) is considered illigal.


Depends what you mean by "freely available", I guess ;)


Well by that I mean you can download the files. Since you can download them then it can be considered legal.

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I was looking over the rules and it said that warez (completed product you must pay for) is not okay on this board.

Longhorn isn't finished and you don't have to pay for Longhorn it's considered out of date and now they're saying that the new copyright law means Longhorn is legal.

Is Longhorn legal on the BetaArchive??
I have also created a POLL for fun you can delete it if you want.

new copyright law?


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Yeah they changed the copyright in such a way that appearently makes Longhorn and other really old software legal and the old old games that aren't distibuted in a type of format anymore like Nintendo 64 Games could be considered as legal since they can only be played on the Nintendo 64 and that format isn't made anymore.


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Yeah they changed the copyright in such a way that appearently makes Longhorn and other really old software legal and the old old games that aren't distibuted in a type of format anymore like Nintendo 64 Games could be considered as legal since they can only be played on the Nintendo 64 and that format isn't made anymore.


Who changed it? I haven't heard about this - as far as I'm aware copyrights last a lot longer than that (for music it's 50 years; not sure about software)

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The goverment offices.

Here is what it is now....

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2. Computer programs and video games distributed in formats that have become obsolete and that require the original media or hardware as a condition of access, when circumvention is accomplished for the purpose of preservation or archival reproduction of published digital works by a library or archive. A format shall be considered obsolete if the machine or system necessary to render perceptible a work stored in that format is no longer manufactured or is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace.


The bold part is what catches me, because Longhorn doesn't really support todays computers because it crashes so much and it hardly supports anything I had trouble installing Firefox. And Longhorn is older then XP Service Pack 2 because longhorn isn't built on SP2 that's an idea on how old it is. :wink:

Besides that Vista is out and Longhorn isn't even built on the same code base as Microsoft's OS. I mean, I would laugh soooo hard if the story line came up....

"Microsoft sued Bob Joe for using a 3 year old Longhorn BETA Operating System that is not being sold and is not anywhere to be found and is bui;ld off of XP NO Service Pack 2. Just last month Microsoft released Vista based on Server 2003 codebase."


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Well for longhorn, it requires you to have a cd/dvd which are still very very common so i don't think you would get away with it. (along with nearly all computer software/games). Anyway i think this rule only takes affect if you actually have the original (eg an n64 cartridge) as copyrights last something like 75 years after the creator/owner dies etc. But that still depends on the country you are in


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Wow, 75 years after Bil Gates dies will be along time! I think they should atleast release Windows 1, now come on, Apple released there old Mac OS's.


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Wow, 75 years after Bil Gates dies will be along time! I think they should atleast release Windows 1, now come on, Apple released there old Mac OS's.


I think they should release everything except 2000 and XP (basically everything that's out of all support) for free download now - it's not like they make any money off them, so it would just help people who get old PCs that don't have software with them. Apple should release all the Classic OSes now (up to 9.2.2) too - at the moment 7.5.5 is the newest that you can download from them.

Is the rule on software 75 years after death? For music (at least in the UK) it seems to be 50 years after production, as some of the copyright holders were campaigning for an extension recently as their copyrights are about to expire, but I think the government has just said they won't do it - it means that music like the Beatles will start to become public domain in a few years time.

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98 is still used quite a bit around the place, even though they have dropped support. They may aswell release 1.00/1 to the public as i doubt there is a single pc running it, not collectors just installing it for the fun of it, but seriously using it.


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98 is still used quite a bit around the place, even though they have dropped support.


It doesn't make them any money any more though (as you can't buy it from MS any more), so I don't see any reason not to release it - the only reason not to would be if people might be tempted to use it instead of buying a copy of XP, but that seems unlikely.

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The way I see it, if the company no longer supports the product, they dont care about it, and a forced release should happen. I wish copywrites worked like that...


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you would probably think otherwise if you owned a copyright for something


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and what makes you think I dont?
I release(d) all full versions of my abandoned software, with the ability to update it crippled. That was when I still made software...


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Betaman2000 wrote:
Wow, 75 years after Bil Gates dies will be along time! I think they should atleast release Windows 1, now come on, Apple released there old Mac OS's.

don't forget it was Microsoft that made most (if not all) of there OS's/software, not Bill Gates himself. So it would be after the company dies


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im am new here but i would love to see Windows go open source maybee one day it will happen


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it won't ever. unless some crazy law is made where they have to or completely start over all the code and wait 10 years until no one is using the old code, then release it


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