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 PostPost subject: A little wakeup call for liars and cheaters...        Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:07 pm 
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As some of you may know I work as an IT specialist for a rather large company... I solve the problems the regular IT staff can't solve and I am also in charge of major installations... with me I got a small team of 6 ppl working directly under me, and I treat them as a family... I run a tight ship, but in return we are respected throughout the organisation and the companies we do work for...

To the point: One in the team called in sick a week ago... fine, people get sick, so we didn't think more of that... we just had to pickup the pace a bit to meet the deadline... Today I went to town to pickup a few tools from a store... and what do I see? Mr "sick guy" is camping outside the main computer store in town, just to get in line for the first copies of GTA 4 which is released tomorrow... It's some idiot habit here to camp to get stuff first.... a LOT of people camped here, so they are either without jobs, or they are skipping work or school. Stupid thing considering it's just a game (or a movie).... but anyway...

I went up to the guy and said hello.... asked him how he felt... before the cog wheels in his brain started to spin I told him that for all I care he can stay "sick" forever, and that he doesn't have to worry about work... "You're fired!". I made sure the entire group of workless/"sick"/school-less people heard me, then I continued my stroll. Of course he tried to make up excuses, but I simply told him that if he had asked for some days off he would have gotten it. No questions asked. Of course those days would had been without pay (as traditionally done), but at least it would have been honest and legit. Instead he chose to lie just so he could sit and fart in front of a store, all for a 40 dollar game.

I wonder if he thought losing a good paying job was worth it. He had all the freedom he wanted in the company, he could come and go as he pleased (as long as his weekly hours were met) and he had the fun to go travel with the team when we needed to.

Conclusion: Don't cheat your school or company. If you really need to stand a week in front of a store to be the first to get a game at least have the honesty to ask for a few days off. Or simply realise that there are more important things than a mere game everyone will have in a few weeks, and most will have forgotten about the game a few weeks later after that. If you lie and try to cheat it will come back and bite you in the ass. Sometimes you get off with a scrape, sometimes (like this) you lose a leg and then some. This guy will NEVER set foot in this company again. And I doubt very much he will ever get a job like this again. If any company calls me for references I will tell them that this guy can't be trusted. Period.

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Yeppers, it is a good idea to stay honest I know GTA 4 comes out at midnight, but I am gonna wait till 10 AM Tomorrow to get it, however I don't know how your labor board works but here in Canada, people can't give a bad reference (don't ask me why). My money says theres probably people standing out in front of EB Games waiting for their copy.


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Yeppers, it is a good idea to stay honest I know GTA 4 comes out at midnight, but I am gonna wait till 10 AM Tomorrow to get it, however I don't know how your labor board works but here in Canada, people can't give a bad reference (don't ask me why). My money says theres probably people standing out in front of EB Games waiting for their copy.


[censored] Rockstar, when is the PC version getting out?, there are a hack of more people with PC's then XBOX or PS3.

And about the: Youre Fired!, good one, those people cant be trusted.

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Yea, theres also the thieves, at work, believe me I know, I work in a grocery store, and I sometimes notice open packages in the milk cooler or in the big walk in freezer, like packages of ice cream bars and stuff.


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DjRob wrote:
hypr wrote:
Yeppers, it is a good idea to stay honest I know GTA 4 comes out at midnight, but I am gonna wait till 10 AM Tomorrow to get it, however I don't know how your labor board works but here in Canada, people can't give a bad reference (don't ask me why). My money says theres probably people standing out in front of EB Games waiting for their copy.


[censored] Rockstar, when is the PC version getting out?, there are a hack of more people with PC's then XBOX or PS3.

And about the: Youre Fired!, good one, those people cant be trusted.


We give the TRUE references... if an employer of a different company calls us and wants to know if the person is good at his job, or if he's trustworthy we have to tell the truth... or we'll make the company a disservice by allowing them to hire a person we knew was untrustworthy.... which is why it's very important to do your very best and always be truthful... since the consequences of that ripples far into the future.... if you are a bad worker it will haunt you for many years....

And regarding GTA4... there may be more PC gamers, but there is a lot more money in the console world... not to mention that GTA has always been a means of luring customers to a particular console.... much like Xbox has Halo etc... GTA4 is released on both consoles now, but it's a means to make more ppl buy consoles. The PC version will be out, but it will probably take a year or so.

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@ Your first post:

I guess that not lying is somewhat good, i have lied in the past and still, i tell small white lies being a teenager, my friends ask me something and i deny it, that's nothing big, but lying to your boss is something else. He lost a very good job and it was only a stupid game. Well I hope He Learned.

These Days I try and stay away from lying because as you said, i will ALWAYS come back to you in the end.

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:04 pm 
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mrpijey, i think you over reacted, you could have given him a final warning? we all do dumb things.


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mrpijey, i think you over reacted, you could have given him a final warning? we all do dumb things.


You obviously don't understand how the employment world works. You don't get given chances when its something like this. Its obvious the guy is a liar and a cheat. Nobody wants a liar and a cheat working for them.

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betaluva wrote:
mrpijey, i think you over reacted, you could have given him a final warning? we all do dumb things.


Of course we all do dumb things, but this wasn't an accident. He was a grown man and knew that his actions has consequences, good or bad. All he had to do was pickup the phone and call me asking for a few days off. He could even tell me that he wanted to stand in line for a game, he knew I was a somewhat geeky person, and us working together for over a year should have created that kind of trust that would allow him to be truthful to me.

By his actions he didn't only betray me, he also betrayed his co-workers and the company. Because of him we all have to work overtime now, and even if I hadn't kicked him I would never be able to trust him again, since I would never know if he really did what he said he did. We didn't have some desk jobs where we sit around and tell jokes around the coffee machine, we had a job where we all went to big companies that entrusted us with their confidential data and very expensive equipment. The company could fall if we didn't do our jobs well, so we needed to trust each other to do the work that was expected of us.

As I said, all he needed was just ask. The worst thing that could happen was me saying no. And he would still have a job today, and everything would have been good. I need to trust the people I work with, and in return my boss has to trust that I can handle my people and give him the results he expect. As I said before, everyone in my team had great freedom with their work, as long as they did what they were supposed to do they could do whatever they wanted. Even when I was their boss I was still a co-worker with them, not sitting in some leather chair in an office. I pulled my miles of CAT5e cable alongside with them, I worked overtime all night with them and I sure screwed up one or another server with them. Mistakes DO happen. But I don't tolerate when people screw with me. My boss would have fired me if I lied to him about my whereabouts.

The employment world is a hard one an leaves very little for "mistakes" like these. You have to be honest, as I said, the worst thing that can happen is a "no". No one will look down on you because you asked. However if people knew that I looked the other way when people cheated me I would lose respect in the company, my people would lose respect and the entire company would suffer from bad morale. I just guess you have to be in a position like mine to understand it, no one wants to lose a job like that. But I am the boss (albeit a small one) and I have to make the hard decisions. It wasn't a fun thing to do, but I had to do it. For the sake of the others and the company.

If you come in late too many times you WILL lose your job. If you steal from the coffee machine or sit around too much doing nothing you WILL lose your job. No matter which company it is. You don't steal from your work. And this guy isn't paid good money to camp outside a store alongside with a whole bunch of unemployed people just to get a bloody computer game. Doesn't matter how good he is at his work, if he can't be trusted then he's not worth a squat to the company, then he's a liability and a cost that has to be cut. It's a competition out there to get a job, a lot of good hard working people stand around without a job while people like this use the system for their own greedy selves.

Sorry for making this post so long, but I feel very strongly about these things and I see too many people dulling around doing everything but their work. You get everything served and you still bite the hand that feeds you. It's unacceptable. So I just wanted to give you all a hint of how quickly things could turn to trash. This guy could have woken up this morning thinking he was free... paycheck rolls in tomorrow, he getting a game tomorrow as well, and people sweating at work to pickup his slack. 4 hours later he would sit in a cheap tent outside a store, looking like a bum. And without a job. No means to pay his bills.

It's a hard world, but everyone has to pitch in. If you expect you can cheat the system you'll be soon standing outside the system, and no one will care a minute about you.

Addition: It wasn't the first time this guy fouled up either. I didn't fire him because I liked to fire people, I fired him because I had it with him. As a boss you notice some small things about people, how they talk, how they behave, how they work. How do they dress? Do they behave nicely with customers? Does he skip the procedures and take shortcuts? Is he late for work? Stuff like that. So my decision was built on many things I picked up during my time with him. Think about that when you go to work, everything you do is picked up by others, and your boss (if he's a good one) will know it all. If he don't see it by himself he will hear it from others.

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betaluva wrote:
mrpijey, i think you over reacted, you could have given him a final warning? we all do dumb things.

There is tons of people looking for a job out in this world. If he doesn't want his job, there will always be another one to fill his place.

It's also call, companies doesn't like wasting money on losers.


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mrpijey, i can see why you fired him/her but to give a crappy reference is a bit harsh, how do you know that they havnt learned a lesson and pulled their heads in?


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I never said I would give the person a crappy reference. I will give the reference that he deserves, but if the new employer asks specifically why his employment ended I will tell him/her why. The guy was skilled at his job, and I will say that if asked. It's not like am going to try to convince the new employer to not hire this guy, but I will answer truthfully to any questions given.

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GTA4 is certainly worth getting fired from a job.


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GTA4 is certainly worth getting fired from a job.

Wow, great wisdom from you there. 8-)


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What can I say? I'm young and jobless. Obvious that I prefer games. I also like to say things which I even don't agree with, just to argue with someone a bit. ;)


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What can I say? I'm young and jobless. Obvious that I prefer games. I also like to say things which I even don't agree with, just to argue with someone a bit. ;)


Hehe, if you think a game is more worth than having a livelyhood then I wish you good luck in your future. Be sure to get really chummy with the social welfare people. Be sure to map out all the homeless shelters in your city, it will be invaluable. Or find a mate with lots of money :).

Seriously, I love games. Heck, I WORK with games too. But there comes a point where I have to put it on the shelf and actually work for a living. Work = money = means to buy games and play them (ever seen a homeless guy playing on a PS3?). Work also means work = personal development = good mental health. You will become boring and sick eventually from doing squat, and people usually don't want to hang out with someone without a future or means to support himself.

But I understand you, you're a kid and don't have to worry about such things, mommy and daddy does everything for you. It's a sweet period in life tho, enjoy it while you can. All of a sudden you sit in a half-empty apartment, no job, and a pile of debts and bills to pay. The last thing you will do then is sit by your (non-existing) TV and play on your (non-existing) console :P.

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When you enter an IT education here, one of the first question asked is,

Are you really interested in working with computers, building them, maintaining them, or do you only play games all day.

If they answer that they play only all day, or most of the day then they dont have any change getting in.
If they answer that they only play sometimes but most of the times work (not play) with computers, then you have a change getting in.

My school only have about 100/150 PC's (only the IT department, in total about 2000/3000 pc's), and they want an occupation of 75% during every day, but now they are running at 100% and you have sometimes a break of 2 hours (2x 60min) so they are more selective now.

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But I understand you, you're a kid and don't have to worry about such things, mommy and daddy does everything for you. It's a sweet period in life tho, enjoy it while you can. All of a sudden you sit in a half-empty apartment, no job, and a pile of debts and bills to pay. The last thing you will do then is sit by your (non-existing) TV and play on your (non-existing) console :P.

Yeah, well, as you can see I do enjoy this period in life, but I am also aware of the consequences of the adult life. I know that I will eventually have to ditch gaming or just make my job my top priority, don't worry about that ;).


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mrpijey wrote:
But I understand you, you're a kid and don't have to worry about such things, mommy and daddy does everything for you. It's a sweet period in life tho, enjoy it while you can. All of a sudden you sit in a half-empty apartment, no job, and a pile of debts and bills to pay. The last thing you will do then is sit by your (non-existing) TV and play on your (non-existing) console :P.

Yeah, well, as you can see I do enjoy this period in life, but I am also aware of the consequences of the adult life. I know that I will eventually have to ditch gaming or just make my job my top priority, don't worry about that ;).


Dont ditch games, but keep it to a minimum when you work.
I know, i work now (even its working in schooltime doing real life experience), even at home i work, i now play games in total about 1/2 hours a week (in weekends and holidays more) because games helps you focus at work (really).
I have read an article that if you play online games at work (not always of course, but 1/2 hour) you are focused again on your work.

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Anything that helps you relax and take your mind off work is a good thing.... and playing has that effect, you can relax and slip into a different world. So never give up playing, but don't do it too much, or you'll just lose the chance to play as well :P.

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namronia would be fired from a job to get the PC version of GTA IV
(if theres going to be a pc version w00t!)
I would only get fired for a game if my job was [censored] and/or low paying.


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:37 pm 
your story has a lot of truth, a friend of mine had a similar problem, but it was because he wanted to go to some concert and because of his bad luck, the boss went to my friend's house at the moment when my friend was leaving with another friend. Some times is better to be honest and to think first about priorities.


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