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 PostPost subject: New iMac system        Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:10 pm 
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Yesterday I bought a Blueberry iMac 350 slot-loader for £17 at a car boot sale in South London! It's in fab condition and will hopefully be the start of a collection of such machines. I'll post pics when my digital camera's batteries decide to return from the land of the dead!

My question is this, should I keep OS10 on there or use OS9, or even Linux. Basically what will allow me to get the best out of the machine.


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:15 pm 
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Mac OS X is the best OS for it - it runs surprisingly fast even on older Macs like this one and is a very modern OS that is compatible with current-generation apps (except those that are starting to come out now and require G4 or above processors). Mac OS 9 is very dated now and has had no new apps made for it for years, including web browsers. Make sure you are using a modern version of OS X though - 10.0, 10.1 and 10.2 are slow and not supported any more, whereas 10.3 or preferably 10.4 (the current version) are actually much faster (unlike MS OSes, Mac OS X tends to get faster and more optimised with each version) and have many more features and compatibility with current apps. For OS X you really want a minimum of 256 MB Ram for good performance, while 512 MB+ will get the best out of it, so it's oworth upgrading it if it has less than this installed currently.

Remember that you can set up a dual-boot with OS 9 and OS X though, which is worth doing as then you have both OSes available, and you can run older OS 9 applications (which you can't if you only have OS X installed).

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:25 pm 
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Mac OS X is the best OS for it - it runs surprisingly fast even on older Macs like this one and is a very modern OS that is compatible with current-generation apps (except those that are starting to come out now and require G4 or above processors). Mac OS 9 is very dated now and has had no new apps made for it for years, including web browsers. Make sure you are using a modern version of OS X though - 10.0, 10.1 and 10.2 are slow and not supported any more, whereas 10.3 or preferably 10.4 (the current version) are actually much faster (unlike MS OSes, Mac OS X tends to get faster and more optimised with each version) and have many more features and compatibility with current apps. For OS X you really want a minimum of 256 MB Ram for good performance, while 512 MB+ will get the best out of it, so it's oworth upgrading it if it has less than this installed currently.

Remember that you can set up a dual-boot with OS 9 and OS X though, which is worth doing as then you have both OSes available, and you can run older OS 9 applications (which you can't if you only have OS X installed).


Exactly what I did with my iMac.

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:31 pm 
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Thanks, it came with OS 10.2.8, so I think I'll upgrade to 10.4 [I still have the installation media... somewhere]


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Note that it's a good idea to disable Dashboard once you have 10.4 installed, as it uses a lot of memory (all the time, not just when you have it open) and is not especially useful - you'll need a tool like OnyX to do this, there is no UI for the option in Tiger.

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Thanks again,
but I've just found out that you can't install 10.4 on a computer without Firewire or a DVD drive, does anyone know of a hack/workaround that will allow me to do this on my iMac G3?


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Richard0612 wrote:
Thanks again,
but I've just found out that you can't install 10.4 on a computer without Firewire or a DVD drive, does anyone know of a hack/workaround that will allow me to do this on my iMac G3?

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:58 am 
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Richard0612 wrote:
Thanks again,
but I've just found out that you can't install 10.4 on a computer without Firewire or a DVD drive, does anyone know of a hack/workaround that will allow me to do this on my iMac G3?

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This is also what I would recommend. However, I can get most of my work done with Mac OS X 10.3.9. Would it be cheaper to get your hands on Panther instead, or are most of the programs you want require Tiger? Most software companies still support 10.3.9, just like Apple. Eventually, it will be unsupported, but as of now, it's still good to own. :)


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:19 am 
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If it is a slot-loader, which you said it is, it has FireWire and is therefore supported by Apple for 10.4 (only the very first "tray-loader" iMacs didn't have FireWire and need XPostFacto for 10.4). XPostFacto isn't necessary in such a situation and is in fact not recommended as 10.4 will install fine without it, so it can only cause problems. A DVD drive is not a requirement that determines whether 10.4 will install without XPF - it is simply that retail copies of Tiger come on DVD only and it is therefore not so straightforward to install 10.4 on CD-only machines, whereas 10.3 and older came on CDs. However, CD versions are around as you could (and possibly still can, I don't know) mail in the DVD to Apple to swap it for the 4 CD set, and they should be findable (I have a set, for instance).

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:45 am 
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My one is a G3 350, so no firewire. :(

I might see about 10.3.9 if 10.4 won't install [although I will give it a good go!]


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Richard0612 wrote:
My one is a G3 350, so no firewire. :(

Are you sure? According to MacTracker, the database of all Mac models, a slot-loading G3-350 should have FireWire. Only tray-loading iMacs didn't have it, and the fastest of those had a G3-333 CPU. Grab yourself the CD set (note that only the first 2 CDs are needed for an installation of Tiger, just deselect the optional packages in the Installer, you don't need them anyway) and see if it'll boot and install off them :)

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Richard0612 wrote:
My one is a G3 350, so no firewire. :(

Are you sure? According to MacTracker, the database of all Mac models, a slot-loading G3-350 should have FireWire. Only tray-loading iMacs didn't have it, and the fastest of those had a G3-333 CPU. Grab yourself the CD set (note that only the first 2 CDs are needed for an installation of Tiger, just deselect the optional packages in the Installer, you don't need them anyway) and see if it'll boot and install off them :)

Uh, no. 400MHz + has firewire. 350MHz iMacs were low end, and didn't include firewire.

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Richard0612 wrote:
My one is a G3 350, so no firewire. :(

Are you sure? According to MacTracker, the database of all Mac models, a slot-loading G3-350 should have FireWire. Only tray-loading iMacs didn't have it, and the fastest of those had a G3-333 CPU. Grab yourself the CD set (note that only the first 2 CDs are needed for an installation of Tiger, just deselect the optional packages in the Installer, you don't need them anyway) and see if it'll boot and install off them :)

Uh, no. 400MHz + has firewire. 350MHz iMacs were low end, and didn't include firewire.


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I suppose 10.4 could be installed from a USB DVD-ROM drive [slowly]... or I could use 10.3.9.

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Richard0612 wrote:
I suppose 10.4 could be installed from a USB DVD-ROM drive [slowly]... or I could use 10.3.9.

The iMac doesn't have USB 2.0, thus this would be slower than hell. Additionally, I'm not sure if these machines can boot from USB devices. FireWire devices are no problem (for Macs which have it), but I have no idea about USB booting capabilities of older Macs.


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Richard0612 wrote:
I suppose 10.4 could be installed from a USB DVD-ROM drive [slowly]... or I could use 10.3.9.


10.4 also comes in CD versions, if you own a legit DVD of Tiger, i'd say it'd be safe to download the CD versions, or pay Apple some $10 and they will exchange your dvd for cd's.


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Yep, I have the legit DVD [bought it at a boot sale!], but might just try 10.3.9.

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