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 PostPost subject: New User Interface on Windows Seven        Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:51 am 
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scnd. Source : ( real english ) http://apcmag.com/6741/new_ui_for_windows_7

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The fact that the successor to Windows Vista hears in Microsoft inside on the name "Windows Seven" or "Windows 7", is already known for a long time. Recently is also certain that one aims at a completion in Redmond in 2010. Other details have not reached yet to the general public.

Now there is sign for the fact that the group wants to try, finally, one of the qualities being certain for nearly two decades basically wants to change - the user interface. Indeed, one has drilled out this with Windows Vista hard, nevertheless, the main features still come from the times of Windows 3.0.

With the office parcel office one has brought the basic reworking of the surface already behind himself. With the version 2007 the so-called Fluent interface with his "Ribbon" called menu strip arrived. After of beginning doubts ruled whether the change does not take place too suddenly, now most users seem to have made friends with it.

The Fluent surface, counts, in the meantime, as one of the reasons to the extremely good sales figures of office in 2007. In addition, the experts agree meanwhile that Microsoft with it absolutely a big throw has succeeded in the matter of Benutzbarkeit. The Redmonder to the former boss of the office department have all this to owe Steven Sinofsky.

Dieser hatte mit seinem rigorosen Führungsstil dafür gesorgt, dass Office in kurzem Abständen neu aufgelegt und dennoch grundlegend überarbeitet werden konnte. Nun, da Sinofsky für die Entwicklung von Windows verantwortlich ist, soll offenbar auch bei der Oberfläche des Vista-Nachfolgers frischer Wind Einzug halten.

Sinofsky has got, as now became known, Julie Larsen-Green in the team who signed before for the new surface of office in 2007 responsibly. As new Vice President Windows of users Experience, she should apparently provide for the fact that the success can be reached from office in 2007 also with the next Windows.

Larsen-Green was responsible beside Sinofsky for the fact that one abandoned, finally, 20 year-old "customs" with office. Now is to be hoped that the specialist provides for user interfaces also with Windows for order. The fact that also in Vista everything is not in the pure, might be clear in view of florid menus like the system control or decades of old Font dialogs.

What will plan exactly Sinofsky and Larsen-Green to itself hopefully soon point. Till then only one is certain. Julie Larsen-Green is not changed in the Windows department to provide for the fact that everything as remains as it is.

On myself I like the Fluenna Interface of Office 2007 - hope this guy has also improved features for windows seven in his brain

erm I writed this thread in the General Beta because windows seven is still in beta state ( okay alpha or concept ) :lol:


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:32 am 
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Wow... we're already looking into the next windows? Damn.


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:25 am 
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This is about to make me switch to mac only. I still use windows, but I wouldn't put up with that crap.


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:21 am 
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microsoft makes a design stude and this was the end:

itll be really nice to have such versions :D

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:13 pm 
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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:57 pm 
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i'm just hoping they make it like some longhorn concept videos(Search for them on youtube and soapbox)


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altrus wrote:
i'm just hoping they make it like some longhorn concept videos(Search for them on youtube and soapbox)


That's cool and all, but Vista looks *nothing* like its concept videos... I mean it'd be nice if Windows 7 turns out like that but I won't be holding my breath :(


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i'm just hoping they make it like some longhorn concept videos(Search for them on youtube and soapbox)


That's cool and all, but Vista looks *nothing* like its concept videos... I mean it'd be nice if Windows 7 turns out like that but I won't be holding my breath :(

Well, i'm trying to emulate it, well i have ideas.

it could be possible to code a special file browser/web browser combo, and files were linked from the real folders in a silverlight shell.


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I think it could be done, and as much as I hate people bashing Vista for no reason I do think Vista's spiffy graphics could be a lot faster and more efficient than they are... I mean my FX5200 graphics card can run games like Need For Speed Carbon, yet Areo Glass was sluggish... doesn't make sense...

I think if it was done right, Windows could look great and be fast on mid to low end hardware (by todays standards).


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I mean my FX5200 graphics card can run games like Need For Speed Carbon, yet Areo Glass was sluggish... doesn't make sense...

Aero Glass seemed fine on my old laptop (before it died) with an FX Go5700 - what version of the Nvidia drivers are you using? You should be using the latest version for GF 6/7/8 cards with a modified INF to make it install on a 5, as the most recent Nvidia Vista driver that supports the 5 series is very old (for some reason they seem to have abandoned the 5 series already). Though since building a new PC with an ATI Radeon HD 2600 (512 MB Vram) the difference is immense - I used to play Carbon on the old machine too, but it's so much smoother now and the effects and details are brilliant (you don't realise what you're missing until you try a newer card!).

Though how Mac OS X gives similar visual effects to Vista on my old G3 with its 32 MB Original Radeon, I don't know - that really is inexplicable when Vista needs a 128 MB DX9 card to be any good!

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what version of the Nviia drivers are you using?


Erm... I think I was using whatever came with Vista, I can't remember if I tried drivers from nV but knowing my usual OS setup routing I probably would've... I don't run it at the moment, I'm on Win2k3, I gotta say I wasn't a fan of Vista... my system's hardly beefy though, it's only a 1.7GHz AthlonXP w/512MB RAM and the nV FX5200 w/128MB RAM (I also tried an ATi Radeon 9250, but that wasn't supported and certainly didn't go Glass).

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(you don't realise what you're missing until you try a newer card!).


Yeah, I found that even going from my old TNT2 to the GF4 440 I had before the cards I mentioned above... not so much between the 440 and the FX5200 though. It's time for an overhaul soon though, so maybe I'll catch up with graphics cards yet :D

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Though how Mac OS X gives similar visual effects to Vista on my old G3 with its 32 MB Original Radeon, I don't know - that really is inexplicable when Vista needs a 128 MB DX9 card to be any good!


Yeah, that's odd... it's something else that makes me think Vista's glitter and eye candy should be a bit snappier... I can't say that outright though because I've only really tried it on my system (described above) and a friend's 1.6GHz Athlon64 X2 w/1GB(?) of RAM and a 6100Go(?), that seemed a little quicker, usable at least, but he asked me to downgrade it for him and XP seemed *amazingly* quick in comparison!


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that seemed a little quicker, usable at least, but he asked me to downgrade it for him and XP seemed *amazingly* quick in comparison!

One thing that seems to make XP feel faster on any system is that with Aero everything fades in and out, whereas in XP it's instant eg Vista is extremely fast on my new system but opening a window still feels faster when booted into XP because it appears instantly (and on such a fast machine it doesn't take any time to display all the icons after drawing the window, for instance), whereas you have the delay of it fading into view on Vista.

Though I'd definitely try the latest Nvidia drivers if I were you, they're a lot better than the older ones that were pretty buggy, including the newest (but still ancient) release that officially supports the GF 5 series. You just have to replace the Inf file with one modified to allow the driver to install on all GF (including laptop) cards, as the official drivers only install on 6/7/8 cards and very few laptop versions of even those cards (they seem to expect the laptop manufacturers to put out their own versions of the driver, but they never do (in my experience) so you have to patch the official ones instead - ridiculous situation in my opinion).

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Hrm... well you could be right about the whole fading thing, it does make things seem slower...

Thanks for the driver advice, I'll bear it in mind but I think I'll stick with 2k3 on this machine until I eventually upgrade to something uh... a little more up to date :P

I think we might've wandered off-topic a bit, though I s'pose in a sense we haven't... to bring it back around though, I wonder how much of a face lift they're gonna give "7", and as a result of that what sort of specs it's gonna need to run. It could end up being Vista 2... the same GUI elements, similar themes and effects, only heavier and perhaps more stable/secure. I could be a million miles off though, it might look, feel and work *completely* differently...


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:43 pm 
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new GUI ?
looks very nice
i see it from ms demo !
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but i think this pic is just demo pic!


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i hope that windows 7 will be a revolution in Windows World... no Start Menu, new file System... PS: what about WINFS??? It's going to be released in a future "Windows Vista SP2"???


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Like I said, XP will be with me for some time...
Like I said, 2000 will be with me for some time...


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PS: what about WINFS??? It's going to be released in a future "Windows Vista SP2"???


The goals for WINFS are far far to complicated for any computer to handel, the only way I see WinFS ever becoming real is if they ship a miget with your copy of Windows who will file your files for you...

What I find very scare is that Windows is moving towards the Office 12 interface...

Personally, I would like to see Microsoft focus on streamlining and imporving their OS... I can't even think of any usseful new features for Windows...

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It was called "Windows Vienna"... now it is "Windows Seven"... I've seen both concept-screenshots... and I don't like them! I'm curious to see the new concept of desktop, without start menu :? :? and if "avalon" (winFS) will be available!! Let's wait :(


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Well if "windows 7" has all the really nice features that those Longhorn videos floating around show, then I'd say it would be the best OS ever. However, I won't hope for too much because that's generally asking too much from MS :P

If they can pull those concepts off those I'd love them forever :D For right now thought I'll just stick with Windows Vista HP.


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Well seeing the person in charge of designing the interface is from the Office 07 team then "7" should have a nice clean UI that will be easy to use :D


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Well seeing the person in charge of designing the interface is from the Office 07 team then "7" should have a nice clean UI that will be easy to use :D

Do you like the Office 07' UI??? :| I don't find it "simply"... it's too confused... and not very clear the first time you use it...


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I think it`s not a question of UI, but UX. They can change some elements in UI, but I don`t believe they will add revolutionary new user experience, because of they were advertising Aero too much to renounce in some two years, imho.

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I think it`s not a question of UI, but UX. They can change some elements in UI, but I don`t believe they will add revolutionary new user experience, because of they were advertising Aero too much to renounce in some two years, imho.

But AERO it's not just the start menu... AERO is the entire UI... I've heard that Microsoft want to remove the "start-button" concept to introduce a new way to use the computer... I have no ideas how... I just hope they have one! :D


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I've heard that Microsoft want to remove the "start-button" concept to introduce a new way to use the computer...


Yeah, yeah, yeah 8-| I heard those rumors about Windows "Longhorn" since early alphas, then I heard those rumors about Windows "Blackcomb", then - about "Vienna" and now about Windows 7. There were no builds without start button; attempts integrate taskbar to sidebar have failed long time ago - it was not usable. I don`t believe they will change something in Windows Seven. I think it will be Aero vNext with some tweaks, changes and features. Probably, like Luna in XP - not the same as 2000`s classic, but with no so much changes. Probably there will be more eyes candys, animations, high res brand new graphics e.t.c. But Windows is Windows. And Windows is windows, taskbar and Start button.

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