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 PostPost subject: Just think........        Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:07 am 
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Just think of the vista bug list
eg. loads of programs dont work with it.
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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:08 am 
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Do you have an example of a bug we could discuss?

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Bugs on final or on betas or on both?

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Loads of programs wont work with it because its a newer version and different code and stuff.
Not exactly a bug.
Anyway, am I the only one who sees this is list the ways Vista is [censored]?


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 PostPost subject: Re: Just think........        Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:14 am 
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load of programs dont work with it
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im not saying them all now because im typeing this on a psp.

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Still, both are not bugs.


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Still, both are not bugs.

random shutdowns
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and vista is on my core2duo

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Had none of these problems on my laptop.


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My volume control doesn't work. I can move it up and down, mute it, whatever. It does nothing to the volume.


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The only annoying bug i can remember now was some incompatibilities of the display driver. On some situations the screen used to get screwed. But only on some builds.
And webcam driver doesn't work on vista, and the manufacturer didn't make a driver for vista...

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BSoDs. OMG. I have never had a BSoD on Windows XP/2000/98, even, but I've seen three or four in the span of a few weeks on a new Vista. It disturbs me.


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Wow. It's topics like these that make me never want to buy Vista.

I've decided that I'm not going to buy Vista until Service Pack 1 for it comes out. I did the same with Windows XP.

Sure, Vista looks good in the stores with all that transparency (unless it's just Vista Basic), but as Microsoft bring in new features, you'll never know if they'll work the way you want them to or how they should.


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:37 pm 
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Eh, a new operating system isn't going to be compatible with everything when it releases, so as people mentioned, you should always expect bugs. The software that people wrote had Windows XP in mind not Windows Vista, thats why various software isn't working with it.

Before Vista came out, I've been testing different company's software (like AutoCAD, MatLabs, etc) on the Beta version (and CTP releases) of Vista to determine when we should deploy Vista to the computers here. I can tell you the difference I see now and then is massive and I'm quite impressed by it.

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I've been noticing a bug, after running Vista for a month now, which has gotten me rather pissed at times. Even though I have the "Customer Experience Program" turned off, Vista still tries to send an error report automatically, and tries to get a solution to the 'problem'. Most times, it will state that the program I was using needs to be updated, although, in the case of Firefox and Flash, this is not possible.

I'd love to know why Vista seems to think that updating to a newer version will fix crashes, and why also, it thinks I want to always send a bug report to Microsoft.

Aside from that, Vista's an ok product, in my honest, humble opinion.


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Rhykin wrote:
The software that people wrote had Windows XP in mind not Windows Vista, thats why various software isn't working with it.

You see, that's the problem. If I write software X for operating system Y, and I use APIs specific to the current version, that's fine, because I know these APIs won't be removed in a future version, but that is not the case with Vista.

For a programmer, the idea that an API would work in version n, but not in version n+1 is absurd. Just look anywhere else. On modern IBM mainframes (i.e. z9s running z/OS) you can still run programs compiled in the 60s, not only for an OS 15 generations behind, but for a completely different CPU architecture (S/360). Most *NIX interfaces are so standard that you can write a program, using, for example, X11 and pthread, on a modern Linux system, and compile it without modification on System V (from the mid 80s).

Writing software for a specific version of Windows is like making a car that can only go north. It's stupid and ineffective (unless you're Microsoft).


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You see, that's the problem. If I write software X for operating system Y, and I use APIs specific to the current version, that's fine, because I know these APIs won't be removed in a future version, but that is not the case with Vista.

For a programmer, the idea that an API would work in version n, but not in version n+1 is absurd. Just look anywhere else. On modern IBM mainframes (i.e. z9s running z/OS) you can still run programs compiled in the 60s, not only for an OS 15 generations behind, but for a completely different CPU architecture (S/360). Most *NIX interfaces are so standard that you can write a program, using, for example, X11 and pthread, on a modern Linux system, and compile it without modification on System V (from the mid 80s).

Writing software for a specific version of Windows is like making a car that can only go north. It's stupid and ineffective (unless you're Microsoft).


A LOT of software nowadays comes with a driver and/or service that can execute code on an elevated level (CD Burning, Antivirus, etc). In these cases, the driver model changes... sometimes a lot.

Not to mention whole new ways of doing things... like UAC for instance. The uac prompt will trigger a break in the middle of code that quite possibly wasn't designed to be interrupted, especially that way. This can apply to any fundamental system wide changes.

So many reasons software might not work on the next version of said OS. Good luck getting a binary compiled for linux 2.4.* with Linux Threads , to work on a 2.6.* kernel with NPTL


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Not to mention whole new ways of doing things... like UAC for instance. The uac prompt will trigger a break in the middle of code that quite possibly wasn't designed to be interrupted, especially that way. This can apply to any fundamental system wide changes.

Aside from administrative software, no software should require administrative privileges. Do you know how rare it is to encounter a root password request on any UNIX? And don't give me that "old software" stuff. On Vista, you need to click "Allow" on the UAC prompt three times just to copy something to the global Start Menu folder.

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So many reasons software might not work on the next version of said OS. Good luck getting a binary compiled for linux 2.4.* with Linux Threads , to work on a 2.6.* kernel with NPTL

No problems with that. No software directly uses the kernel-user threading interface (aside from being unportable between UNIXes, it's extremely complicated), they use pthread (which has had a standard interface for ~25 years). Therefore, you can even run such binaries on FreeBSD. A proof of that is the Linux version of Unreal Tournament 2004, which runs on Linux kernels since 2.2, plus being able to run on FreeBSD.


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