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 PostPost subject: OS Boot Applications        Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:24 am 
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Hi,

I was wondering what your experiences are with OS Booters (Or how you may call them)

I'm still looking for a good one, currently using System Commander 9.0

Thanks for your opinions,

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:00 am 
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My favorite is GRUB. It's super-configurable, free (as in both beer and speech :D), small and portable. You can link it to just about anything, and it works with any OS in existence. I have it on my USB key with 4 different OSs and backup boot loaders.


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I tried Acronis OS Selector years ago, I wasn't overly impressed with it. I got it on a magazine coverdisc but I believe it was a commercial app.

GRUB is obviously free, and works a treat, and when it doesn't you've always got LILO to try instead. I wouldn't buy one these days, especially since there's enough for free out there that should cover all your bases.


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I use the one built into XP/2k. (with Windows anyway) It is pretty straightforward if you know how to edit boot.ini

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I was thinking on starting to use SYSLINUX, anyone has experience with it? GRUB currently my second choice.

http://syslinux.zytor.com


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:24 am 
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3DSM wrote:
I was thinking on starting to use SYSLINUX, anyone has experience with it? GRUB currently my second choice.

I've only used SYSLINUX as a simple boot loader in the past, but from my experience, it's not very user friendly. I'd say you try both (they're not so hard to install) and decide for yourself. You can PM me if you need any help.


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Thanks for the effort, will do. What I liked SYSLINUX is the background, or can you include one as well in GRUB?


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there is also boot magic, but it doesnt have a great looking interface.


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:53 pm 
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Well, for my machine I use GAG, the graphical boot manager
It gets the job done :D

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Does anyone of you know if there exist an utility/bootloader which can select to hide/show partitions specific for each boot?


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3DSM wrote:
Does anyone of you know if there exist an utility/bootloader which can select to hide/show partitions specific for each boot?

The OS/2 boot manager does that, and GRUB can do it with the hide and unhide commands.


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BootMagic also can do that.

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heres how ugly boot magic looks though,

http://nobumasa-web.hp.infoseek.co.jp/multi_boot/bootmagic_menu7.gif

the one used for fedora was cool, i forgot what that was called.


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:38 am 
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Thanks for all the replies, I've been researching alot and I think I'm going for GNU GRUB v1.95.

What I have planned is:

*Partition 1 : GRUB & Utilities (Partition Magic 8.0, BartPe, etc.)
*Partition 2 : DR-DOS
*Partition 3 : MS-DOS & Windows 3.1
*Partition 4 : Windows 95/98/ME
*Partition 5 : Windows XP
*Partition 6 : Windows Vista
*Partition 7 : DOCUMENTS / FILES DRIVE
*Partition 8 : SWAP DRIVE

Can this be possible?


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I used to use XOSL ... it's a great bootloader, except it hasn't been updated in a very long time as it was abandoned by its author. Link.

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:54 pm 
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3DSM wrote:
Thanks for all the replies, I've been researching alot and I think I'm going for GNU GRUB v1.95.

What I have planned is:

*Partition 1 : GRUB & Utilities (Partition Magic 8.0, BartPe, etc.)
*Partition 2 : DR-DOS
*Partition 3 : MS-DOS & Windows 3.1
*Partition 4 : Windows 95/98/ME
*Partition 5 : Windows XP
*Partition 6 : Windows Vista
*Partition 7 : DOCUMENTS / FILES DRIVE
*Partition 8 : SWAP DRIVE

Can this be possible?

You'll have to put MS-DOS on the same partition as 95/98/ME (just install it first and 9x's installation will back it up as the "previous MS-DOS version"). As there can only be 3 primary partitions (when there is an extended one), you'll have to partition like so:
    P1) GRUB + NT boot manager + Vista boot manager (chainloaded from GRUB)
    P2) DR-DOS
    P3) MS-DOS, Windows 3.1, Windows 95/98/ME
    L1) Windows XP
    L2) Windows Vista
    L3) Files drive
    L4) Swap


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:10 pm 
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Thanks ppc_digger!

I was also wondering, is it possible for GRUB to..

For example, with booting Windows 95 to hide all partitions except the files AND swap drive?

I was thinking to do this for most OS partitions to have their partition configured as C: .


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:15 pm 
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Yes, this should be possible. AFAIK, Grub can hide as many partitions as you want.


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As empireum said, it is possible, using the hide command. You can find all the available commands here.


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:18 pm 
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grub is nice


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BCD from Vista


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IMO GRUB is the best. It supports almost ALL OSs. XOSL is nice too, but sometimes it doesn't recognize your OSs.

@NTLDR fans: I _DOUBT_ that this one can boot linux.

But one good thing about NTLDR:

If you install Windows 9x on a NTLDR(Win2000 or higher) it makes an entry in the boot.ini, so you still have your 2000 / XP.

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:39 am 
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@NTLDR fans: I _DOUBT_ that this one can boot linux.

It can, but not ouf of the box. It can chainload any other boot manager from a boot sector image file though, so you can chainload lilo or grub or whatever. It's not elegant at all, though.

I really recommend grub as well. It's free, highly customisable and supports booting a wide variety of OSes, some directly, others via chainloading. You get no useless GUI to configure it, however, all configuration is done directly in the menu.lst file.


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grub, it boots anything


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