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 PostPost subject: NT 4 Embedded        Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 6:55 pm 
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Whilst flicking through Windows codenames, I came across one that I've not yet seen: Impala - the codename for Windows NT 4 Embedded.

Has anyone heard or used this one? A quick search on the usual P2P networks revealed nothing, but a search on MS's msdn archives turned up a bit of info:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms837263.aspx


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 9:23 pm 
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Hmmm... Interesting... Ive never heard about it... And look at the strange date:
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August 2001

Windows NT 4 is from 1996 AFAIK...


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 10:31 pm 
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off topic psiren are you the one that worked on neptune? If so good work.


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 10:33 pm 
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Asking if anyone has used this OS, do you mean final or beta? Speaking of the final, I have a thin client running it.


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Off topic, lol yea I am. I'm suprised that someone still remembers it. As it happens, I'm restoring a copy of the FTP site I ran on OSBA from tape (with a view to starting another for here). If anyone else is (still) interested, I've put an ISO of the last version I did along with a screenshot on my website here:

http://www.psirens.co.uk/osba/neptune/

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Sorry to double post, but back on topic...

@empireum: I did mean both and any releases. I don't suppose you'd be willing to share the wealth that is the NT Embedded install media would you please? :wink:


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psiren wrote:
Sorry to double post, but back on topic...

@empireum: I did mean both and any releases. I don't suppose you'd be willing to share the wealth that is the NT Embedded install media would you please? :wink:

If I had them, maybe... But I don't, I just have the image sitting in the thin client's flash. Some time ago, someone was selling them on eBay (2 genuine CDs), but I, in a brain-dead moment, missed the auction. From then on, my attempts to dig out a copy of the NT4 Embedded install media have been failures...


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Aye. I've hunted through ebay already (even completed listings) looking for it. Nada. Looks like it's as rare as rocking horse s**t!


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Would any of the MSDN subscription sets have contained NT Embedded, and if so what year and what subscription package? That might be the easiest way to get this OS.

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I don't know actually, but I'd rather doubt it.


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Not a bad idea! I'm guessing that this kind of thing might have been eligible to go into a MSDN release. I'll do a bit of digging...


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 12:19 pm 
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Would any of the MSDN subscription sets have contained NT Embedded, and if so what year and what subscription package? That might be the easiest way to get this OS.


I'm pretty sure I've read on some official sight that the beta was released
sometime in 1999, & only to 350 odd official testers, that pretty much
limits our chances.
If I find the sight, I'll post the link.
It went on to mention how it looked like MS have finally made a headless
windows version that worked without the need for a video card, monitor
and other hardware.
I was amazed at how late after the NT release that the beta of Impala was
actually released.
But then they were still releasing XP builds up until early last year weren't
they.


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Sorry guys but MSDN doesn't have any version of Windows NT 4.0 anymore :( (due to the MSJVM lawsuit all of this was removed)


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It went on to mention how it looked like MS have finally made a headless
windows version that worked without the need for a video card, monitor
and other hardware.


Funny you should mention that ... I was last night poking around the Server Appliance Kit 2.0 for Windows 2000 Server, and found that it has a utility called "saprep" that appears to let you do the same with a normal copy of Windows 2000. It installs its own null video driver, and removes the keyboard and mouse drivers from the system, leaving it headless. (beheaded?)

Here's some documentation about it: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms854660.aspx

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I've seen this before. The kiosks at the Kroger store run this version of NT.
Was there ever a Windows 2000 embedded? or, will there be one for vista?

Offtopic: psiren you worked on neptune? I remember that was one of my favorite custom OSes there. Reminds me of the NT4 modernization...


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:58 am 
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I've seen this before. The kiosks at the Kroger store run this version of NT.
Was there ever a Windows 2000 embedded?

Delving into the files with programs like reshack suggest that there either
was, or optioned to be, an embedded version of 2000.


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Aztech wrote:
ToastyCheesy wrote:
I've seen this before. The kiosks at the Kroger store run this version of NT.
Was there ever a Windows 2000 embedded?

Delving into the files with programs like reshack suggest that there either
was, or optioned to be, an embedded version of 2000.


Threre was, I noticed a 2000 Embedded COA sticker on the KODAK kiosk at WAL * MART

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Fireware wrote:
Aztech wrote:
ToastyCheesy wrote:
I've seen this before. The kiosks at the Kroger store run this version of NT.
Was there ever a Windows 2000 embedded?

Delving into the files with programs like reshack suggest that there either
was, or optioned to be, an embedded version of 2000.


Threre was, I noticed a 2000 Embedded COA sticker on the KODAK kiosk at WAL * MART


Is there a way to get this or a beta?


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Is there a way to get this or a beta?


So far, I've only managed to find a copy of XP Embedded. 2000 Embedded and the grail that is NT Embedded are somewhat more elusive. eBay and a couple of P2P networks also turn up nothing. Has anyone else had any better luck?

Offtopic @ToastyCheesy/anybody else: Thanks for the support! I'm limited in bandwidth nowadays and will be shortly taking my hacked Neptune ISO off my website. Could someone kindly stick it on their FTP servers to share out? Thanks :)


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AFAIK, there were only NT4 and XP Embedded so far (but Vista Embedded is in the works). Windows 2000 Embedded does not exist AFAIK, although the presence of the bitmaps in the Win2k system files might suggest it does.


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I found a guy that's made a PDF about what additions can found in NT 4e that weren't in the 'regular' NT 4 located here:

http://www.seanliming.com/Docs/Windows_NT_Embedded_Step-by-Step.pdf


EDIT: And a review written in 98 when Microsoft was getting ready to release it (projected 1999):
http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG19981104S0006


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 PostPost subject: Ive owned NT Embedded        Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 2:09 am 
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I had to use NT Embedded for a contract I was working on a long time ago. Unfortunately, the cd was on the floor and I didn't notice, and I ran my chair right on top of it and destroyed it.

Ever since Ive been looking for a copy of NT 4 embedded. For sale or otherwise. The search has now become many years and frustrating just doesnt sum it up.

With each release of NT Embedded, they stop selling and supporting the previous version (When I called MS to get someone who sold NT4 Embedded, for a replacement, they told me you can't get it any longer, and tried to sell me a Windows 2000 Embedded package). 2000 Embedded was short lived. Remember, NT4 had 5 years of use, Win2000 only 2 before XP came along. 5 years later, Vista.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Ive owned NT Embedded        Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:25 am 
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Ever since Ive been looking for a copy of NT 4 embedded. For sale or otherwise. The search has now become many years and frustrating just doesnt sum it up.


But what I don't understand is why this is so rare? Anything that's been release for general sale normally isn't rare (except Windows 1.00, but then again no-one seems to know whether that was actually ever sold or not) - surely there must be thousands of thin clients etc that had this OS, so there must be a lot of copies of it out there?

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I quizzed the guy that ran the site that I posted earlier, and he's got back to me. His reaction was that no-one sells it now-adays. NT is EOL and as such it can no longer be purchased. eBay (although other auction sites are available) seem to be the best place to find it. His reaction was "Why would you ever want that? Why not just use XP Embedded?". Try explaining that you collect old os'es!

Anyway, as no-one here has it, it seems like this is definately a real gem for anyones collection! Maybe not as shiny as Windows 1.0 or the lost versions of Neptune, but I'm guessing it'll be up there alright!

On another note, (and I'm not too sure how much weight this one holds) I was flicking through the archives of "Active Windows" to see if theres any news on there about NT4e, when I came accross yet ANOTHER codename:

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..Microsoft has dabbled and continues to experiment with the idea of producing a thin client, at least in a roundabout way. There's "Chameleon," its NT-Embedded-based Internet appliance OS, that seems to be in limbo at the moment..


(Just for reference, taken from here http://www.activewin.com/news/1999/sept_1.shtml

Anyone heard f this one?


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Again, sorry for the double post, but I knew trolling through archives would turn up something! On ActiveWins site (http://www.activewin.com/news/1999/august.shtml), I found this:

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Microsoft plans to release a version of its Windows NT operating system Monday for use in so-called embedded settings. The new version of NT, originally discussed last fall, is targeted at specialized markets, such as manufacturing, networking equipment, and point-of-sale devices. Microsoft plans to sell the software through third-party device makers, often called original equipment manufacturers (OEM).

Microsoft's latest Windows operating system variant is tailored for use in devices such as network routers and switches, industrial machines, and health care equipment, for example. Copier giant Xerox intends to use the software within its document management systems for corporate offices. 3Com has also pledged to utilize the software within its network switching hardware.

Windows NT Embedded 4.0 enters a market dominated by numerous small firms, such as Wind River Systems, QNX Software Systems, and Integrated Systems, among others.


There a bigger review on Cnet located here: http://news.com.com/2100-1001-229562.html. On this one, it goes on to explain that an integrator, Avnet, are going to be (or did) distribute the software. I've contacted them to see if they still sell it.... We'll see!


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