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 PostPost subject: Install NT 4 on intel mac?        Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:39 am 
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Hello,
I am wondering if there is any way to install Windows NT 4 on a Intel Mac, since my 2 Pentium 1's are on the fritz, and my Pentium 3 is lent to a friend. If any of you know a way to do this, please respond. Thanks!
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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:23 am 
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Your best option is probably to use a virtual machine like Parallels or VMware - it would be difficult (maybe impossible) to install it natively in Boot Camp, and even if you did get it to run it would not function well as there would be no drivers. NT4 is so lightweight that it will be just as fast in a virtual machine as natively anyway.

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I have to second that. I have read that <ou can get Windows 2000 to work natively on an Intel Mac (although I haven't tried that), but NT4 is impossible, I'd say. No drivers, problems with the partitioning scheme... and so on. Get a virtual machine like VMware Fusion or Parallels. I'm using the latter mainly and it flies (in fact, I am using it now to test the nrw LH Server beta). VMware is substantially slower (but not too bad) due to it being still in development and having much debug code implemented.


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:29 am 
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empireum wrote:
No drivers,
I believe this driver supports the Mac Mini's SATA controller (aside from that, it's standard PC hardware that NT4 should support out-of-the-box).
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problems with the partitioning scheme...
Nope. Boot Camp creates a standard MBR, as even XP doesn't support GPT partition tables.

If the boot loader has trouble starting on an Intel Mac, it can be easily replaced with an XP loader IIRC. (you might need to do the first phase of the installation - the DOS phase - on a PC, though).

If I had an Intel Mac, I would have tried that ages ago.


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:20 am 
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Thanks. I am going to try to install with bootcamp first, then if something goes wrong, reinstall OS X and try with Parallels or VMware Fusion.
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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:27 am 
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AFAIK, NT4 has problems if its boot partition lies behind the first 2GB (or 8GB) of the disk, so be prepared to do some partitioning and back up your data before you begin if you value it. (@ppc_digger: That was what I actually meant with the partitioning problems, sorry if it was unclear).

But it would be interesting if you could get the "bare minimum" (like the graphics, sound, LAN) to work on NT4. Interesting to see what drivers are available. Heck, Win2k is said to work on the Mac mini if you modify the install CD, maybe I'll even try this.

Moifying the W2K install CD means that you have to replace ntdetect.com with the one from XP SP2, (as ppc_digger said) maybe that's good to remember for NT4 as well...

The UniATA driver is a good start to get the SATA controller working if NT4 doesn't want to recognize it.
If you can't find a graphics driver, try this VESA driver, maybe it'll work:
http://www.navozhdeniye.narod.ru/vbemp.htm


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empireum wrote:
If you can't find a graphics driver, try this VESA driver, maybe it'll work:
http://www.navozhdeniye.narod.ru/vbemp.htm

Doesn't NT4 come built-in with a VESA graphics driver? Even NT 3.x does IIRC.


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ppc_digger wrote:
empireum wrote:
If you can't find a graphics driver, try this VESA driver, maybe it'll work:
http://www.navozhdeniye.narod.ru/vbemp.htm

Doesn't NT4 come built-in with a VESA graphics driver? Even NT 3.x does IIRC.

Yep, but I am not sure if this will allow more than 800x600 in 256 (or even only 16?) colors. This driver I mentioned is said to suport higher resolutions with up to 32-bit colors.
Or wait a moment, I believe NT's standard VGA driver is limited to 800x600 in 16 colors. If you mean a different driver by the VESA one, then I could be wrong. Anyway, that link could come in handy.


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Sorry, but VGA has a max res of 720x480, with 16 or 256 colors.


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ppc_digger wrote:
empireum wrote:
If you can't find a graphics driver, try this VESA driver, maybe it'll work:
http://www.navozhdeniye.narod.ru/vbemp.htm

Doesn't NT4 come built-in with a VESA graphics driver? Even NT 3.x does IIRC.


This probably sounds really n00bish, but what exactly is VESA?

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:26 am 
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Well, when I installed NT on a box where it couldn't detect the graphics card, it said "VGA-compatible graphics card" and allowed max 800x600 in 16 colors.

@Fireware: Have a look at these for info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions


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I recall installing NT4 on Virtual PC, and setting it to 1024x768x24 before installing the VPC additions.


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ppc_digger wrote:
I recall installing NT4 on Virtual PC, and setting it to 1024x768x24 before installing the VPC additions.

VPC emulates an S3 Trio32/64 which is recognized by all Windows versions starting with 95 and NT 3.5; that's why you can have higher resolutions without installing the additions. Even exotic OSes without suitable additions can therefore use a high resolution.


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