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 PostPost subject: Microsoft's new Anti-Virus, 'Morro', Revealed        Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:29 am 
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Source: http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/06/1 ... o-revealed

Ever since Microsoft discontinued its "OneCare" Anti-Virus suite, gossip has been flying that Microsoft would be releasing a free Anti-Virus\Anti-Spyware tool codenamed "Morro".

The software product, codenamed "Morro" after a beach in Sao Paulo, Brazil, is already being tested by Microsoft employees and a trial version will be made available "soon". Microsoft has stated that Morro would be available by the end of 2009 at the latest.

"Morro" is likely to be targeted to compete with the low end of anti-virus products from other providers, and it will not have much of an impact on sales of full-blown security suites. According to Janice Chaffin, president of Symantec's Consumer Division, "Microsoft's free product is basically a stripped down version of the OneCare product Microsoft pulled from the shelves. A full Internet security suite is what consumers require today to stay fully protected."

Today we received three exclusive screen shots of the upcoming anti-virus suite from an anonymous tipster, we understand this is an internal build that is currently under testing so the UI is subject to change.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft's new Anti-Virus, 'Morro', Revealed        Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:10 am 
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It's about time. I liked OneCare, even though it was a memory hog, I still liked how easy to use it was. As long as "Morro" is free or low-cost, I will get it, unless it proves to be a memory hog. Currently I use Avast!, but I'd be willing to use another MS product for protection, since I already use Defender and Firewall, having A/V from MS would give me a full suite.

It's nice how the UI is like everything else Microsoft right now. The tabs remind me of how the Windows website looks right now.

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It's about time. I liked OneCare, even though it was a memory hog, I still liked how easy to use it was. As long as "Morro" is free or low-cost, I will get it, unless it proves to be a memory hog. Currently I use Avast!, but I'd be willing to use another MS product for protection, since I already use Defender and Firewall, having A/V from MS would give me a full suite.

It's nice how the UI is like everything else Microsoft right now. The tabs remind me of how the Windows website looks right now.


[color=#BF0000]Concept of Morro :[/color]

Think Onecare minus Backup and Firewall.


It will be a completely free downloadable product.

It will run on XP,Vista and 7.

If it runs on Servers is to be seen but unlikely ( MS needs forefront customers )

It will have a different engine than onecare, at least it will be finetuned for performance if it is still MSmpeng ( you can see that already with Windows Defender in 7 which runs much faster than the XP or Vista version ) .

The only thing I wonder about if it extends or replaces Windows Defender and how it does that :[/b]

Defender runs on the [b]MSm
alwareprotectionEngine which can be resource intensive under certain conditions.

OneCare had the very same Engine, only with different signaturesets, so that it could find viruses too ( the Defender MSMPeng.exe can only search for spyware due to its signatureset )

Because Windows Xp is adresses too with the application, the systemrequirements have to be extremely low - there are XPs out in the wild with no more than 128 MB of Rams on 300 MhZ "stoneage" machines and Microsoft supports such scenarios per the retail package requirements and their "lifecycle policy".

We should thank MS they make it available for XP.Remember that it is out of main support, so this is a nice move to bring a new feature to a product in extended support phase.

Windows 2000 had not so much luck when Defender was released: the betas run on 2000 but the final product does not ( you can edit the msi, but that's another story ). read the download page for defender on MS website, it states that 2000 is out of support.

I am extremely curious about the app. Especially as I have a lot of old machines running and they need to be protected. And we all know that as soon a Antimalware solution is installed,each Windows goes instantly down the snappyness.

I put my hopes into this.

[b]Another thought of "why free" is :[/b] The free edition will be available per "optional Windows Update" ( just like Windows Live essentials is now offered and pushed to you via MU ), so that we all get to know the product.

Maybe they will release a comercial product simultan, bringing the features that re not present in Morro like Backup or Two-way-firewall for XP ( Visat and 7 have such a fw baked in ) on a per-sale base.


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Will it be as useless as OneCare or Defender? If so, move along nothing to see here. Free is good, but if its next to useless what's the point. MS should stop with their pointless security products, no one cares because they work about as well as a chocolate tea pot. Use the manpower for other things like actually producing a current/next generation OS and office suite. Not so called security products that are put to shame be even the crappest free alternatives like AVG/Comodo. 8-)

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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft's new Anti-Virus, 'Morro', Revealed        Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:52 pm 
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The UI of Morro reminds me of the early AntiSpyware versions... lets hope Microsoft does not screw it up as they did with Windows Defender...

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 PostPost subject: Re: Microsoft's new Anti-Virus, 'Morro', Revealed        Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:56 pm 
Thank you. Nice news.
P.S.: It will be renamed to Microsoft Security Essentials.


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Will it be as useless as OneCare or Defender? If so, move along nothing to see here. Free is good, but if its next to useless what's the point.


I'm thinking the same thing, I figured it was worth posting though.

The UI still looks half-assed at this point, IMO.


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Ugh, that name could do with some work, apart from that I think it has a nice UI and would be awesome.

I mean " Microsoft Morro " ? Hmm... Bu thats my opinion...


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Here it is :-)

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Security Essentials English ( MSSEFULLINSTALL FRE-EN-US ) Pre-Release Installer :beta: :

first impression :

the xp edition successfully installed on win7 32bit !

I am using it right now ..

it runs side by side with Avast Home 4.8, securitycenter reports that both are active.

MSPENG.exe uses ~28 MB of Ram after update and quick scan

Windows Defender is disabled after Installation.

winxp 32

http://rapidshare.com/files/245512602/m ... -us-xp.exe

32bit vista/7

http://rapidshare.com/files/245512600/m ... -vista.exe

64 bit vista/7

http://rapidshare.com/files/245512599/m ... -vista.exe

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Great! Thanks a lot for the links :D

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I read somewhere that the quotation of Symatic decreased with 0.5% and McAffee with 2% (or more) after Morro was announced. But Symatic and McAffee think that a lot of people stil will buy their security software as Morro is not really complete.

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Symantec and McAfee are tried and true, Microsoft is new to the game. Even if their product is superior it's going to take a while to catch on.


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Thanks for the download link!

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Symantec and McAfee are tried and true, Microsoft is new to the game. Even if their product is superior it's going to take a while to catch on.


Nothing beats free. If MS doesn't mess up the advertisement of it, people will install it immediately without the thought that they might spend 40-80 $/€/£ on A/V and Firewall when it's free with their OS already.

Currently, I use Avast! Home Edition only because it's free, if Microsoft does this right, Symantec and McAfee will have to drastically change the way they sell their software because it's difficult competing with free. Of course, Microsoft does have a history of messing good ideas up right before release, so who knows what will happen with this.

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I recommend AVG to everyone, it's free, easy to use, and the interface looks nice.

I wasn't even thinking when I posted that. Is Microsoft making this just for the home market or is there going to be some sort of corporate product as well?


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I recommend AVG to everyone, it's free, easy to use, and the interface looks nice.

I wasn't even thinking when I posted that. Is Microsoft making this just for the home market or is there going to be some sort of corporate product as well?


Nonono...
Afaik Avira is better than AVG

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harry4567 wrote:
QuiescentWonder wrote:
I recommend AVG to everyone, it's free, easy to use, and the interface looks nice.

I wasn't even thinking when I posted that. Is Microsoft making this just for the home market or is there going to be some sort of corporate product as well?


Nonono...
Afaik Avira is better than AVG


Nonono...

Avira bugs you to buy the full retail version every day, most annoying free AV ever.


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QuiescentWonder wrote:
harry4567 wrote:
QuiescentWonder wrote:
I recommend AVG to everyone, it's free, easy to use, and the interface looks nice.

I wasn't even thinking when I posted that. Is Microsoft making this just for the home market or is there going to be some sort of corporate product as well?


Nonono...
Afaik Avira is better than AVG


Nonono...

Avira bugs you to buy the full retail version every day, most annoying free AV ever.


The best free AV has to be Avast!, only because it runs such a light footprint compared to AVG or Avira. I agree that Avira is the most annoying free AV software available.

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Does anybody know how to set up Windows Live Messenger to use msseces.exe to scan a file?

Only parameter I found for msseces.exe so far is -hide (Run registry key)

I wonder what command the ShellExt uses to scan a file when one right clicks

Dragging & dropping the file onto the msseces.exe only launches the app, it will not scan it


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argg would you people stop using RapidShare?!?! Use private servers

RapidShare takes too long...

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http://alpc.no-ip.biz:8080/mssefullinstall-x86fre-en-us-xp.exe
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Thank you for the new links. And I agree entirely. I will never become a Rapidshare user and the fact that I have to wait 30-90 seconds before I can even download a single file, and wait 10-15 minutes between downloads, is such a pain. Especially when they are small downloads which should be complete within seconds, not minutes.

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Does anybody know how to set up Windows Live Messenger to use msseces.exe to scan a file?

Only parameter I found for msseces.exe so far is -hide (Run registry key)

I wonder what command the ShellExt uses to scan a file when one right clicks

Dragging & dropping the file onto the msseces.exe only launches the app, it will not scan it

Maybe this? :: msseces.exe %%1


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Whistler_fan wrote:
ricktendo64 wrote:
Does anybody know how to set up Windows Live Messenger to use msseces.exe to scan a file?

Only parameter I found for msseces.exe so far is -hide (Run registry key)

I wonder what command the ShellExt uses to scan a file when one right clicks

Dragging & dropping the file onto the msseces.exe only launches the app, it will not scan it

Maybe this? :: msseces.exe %%1


msseces.exe is the GUI

msmpeng.exe is the ENGINE

MpCmdRun.exe is the SCANNER , and it has many options :

C:\Users\Smartie>"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Security Essentials\MpCmdRun.exe"

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Command Description
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