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 PostPost subject: Vista SP2 RC in February, RTM in April 2009        Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:10 pm 
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"Microsoft is laboring to serve Service Pack 2 for Windows Vista a little over a year after the availability of Service Pack 1, beating Windows 7 to the market. The first development milestones of Windows Vista Service Pack 2 have already shipped to testers and are even available for download for users of the operating system outside of the limited testing pool selected by Microsoft. Come 2009, the Redmond company will make available the Release Candidate of the operating system's SP2 one year after the RTM of SP1, just to deliver the gold bits a couple of months after that."

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:47 am 
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I fear this early release is due to the lack of features.

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:50 am 
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Probably.
With Windows 7 drawing nearer and nearer, it wouldn't be a very good buisness strategy to add more features.


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:52 pm 
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Probably.
With Windows 7 drawing nearer and nearer, it wouldn't be a very good buisness strategy to add more features.


It would be pretty dumb by Microsoft too add new features, but there is still going to be a "little while" until Windows 7. Microsoft should be just a little nice to the Vista users and not leave them behind the wagon.


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Probably.
With Windows 7 drawing nearer and nearer, it wouldn't be a very good buisness strategy to add more features.


It would be pretty dumb by Microsoft too add new features, but there is still going to be a "little while" until Windows 7. Microsoft should be just a little nice to the Vista users and not leave them behind the wagon.


Or at least make Windows 7 cheaper than Windows Vista was, so that everyone can get on Windows 7.


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This is a service pack, not some R2. XP SP2 was a massive exception, historically an SP release has been little more than patches rolled up with the occasional tweak or feature added.

As for the price I can't believe people still think Vista is expensive. It's a pretty big sum if you buy the boxed versions but that's the exception seeing how almost everyone either gets Vista from an OEM, can get upgrades or even purchase the OEM version as a systems builder.


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Not as expensive as before, the price of all Vista versions except for Starter and Enterprise have gone down their original price by 20%. So if you wanted Ultimate you would pay $319.99 rather than $400.

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Still a pretty dear price though, especially when you consider it has to compete with Xp, which (down here at least) still goes for around $130.


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Still a pretty dear price though, especially when you consider it has to compete with Xp, which (down here at least) still goes for around $130.


That $130 will almost certainly be an OEM version though, compared to the retail Vista Ultimate Thlump mentioned.

Comparing like for like, OEM prices here in the UK are:

Windows XP MCE 2005 (SP2b) - £84.40
Windows Vista Home Premium x86 (SP1) - £84.99

Windows XP Professional x64 (SP2) - £100.97
Windows Vista Business x64 (SP1) - £105.70

Windows XP Professional x86 (SP3) - £106.20
Windows Vista Business x86 (SP1) - £104.37

Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005 (SP2b) - £121.00

Windows Vista Ultimate x86 (SP1) - £134.74

Therefore, Prices aren't that different between XP and Vista now. I notice the XP Prices seem to have gone up though. I remember when XP Pro prices were about £90. I guess that's MS's pricing strategy now.

Also Interesting, Vista Ultimate SP1 Retail has dropped hugely - Just £171.64. Consider it started at something like £320 in the UK, that's a huge drop.

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:40 pm 
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Are you sure you aren't comparing the SYSTEMBUILDER against RETAIL?

Systembuilder versions are the same as retail but can be activated on 1 PC and are far cheaper then the normal retail box.
The only difference, with Retail you get only Vista with a Nice box, that's the difference.

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:50 pm 
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DjRob wrote:
Are you sure you aren't comparing the SYSTEMBUILDER against RETAIL?

Systembuilder versions are the same as retail but can be activated on 1 PC and are far cheaper then the normal retail box.
The only difference, with Retail you get only Vista with a Nice box, that's the difference.


Well there's also the whole support issue. If you buy a System Builder license then the system builder is responsible for end user support whereas if you buy a retail license it's Microsoft's responsibility.


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:53 pm 
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I notice the XP Prices seem to have gone up though. I remember when XP Pro prices were about £90. I guess that's MS's pricing strategy now.

You can't buy XP any more (except as a downgrade if you buy Vista) so presumably the ones you are seeing are just the old stock that is left over, maybe retailers have pushed the price up a bit as they know there is still some demand for it and stocks are now limited.

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I notice the XP Prices seem to have gone up though. I remember when XP Pro prices were about £90. I guess that's MS's pricing strategy now.

You can't buy XP any more (except as a downgrade if you buy Vista) so presumably the ones you are seeing are just the old stock that is left over, maybe retailers have pushed the price up a bit as they know there is still some demand for it and stocks are now limited.


Yeh, I'd guess so. There's no retail stock left anywhere, as expected.

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:09 pm 
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ddew wrote:
DjRob wrote:
Are you sure you aren't comparing the SYSTEMBUILDER against RETAIL?

Systembuilder versions are the same as retail but can be activated on 1 PC and are far cheaper then the normal retail box.
The only difference, with Retail you get only Vista with a Nice box, that's the difference.


Well there's also the whole support issue. If you buy a System Builder license then the system builder is responsible for end user support whereas if you buy a retail license it's Microsoft's responsibility.


Well, then the support is me then (saves money and calling and waiting :P)
Only the store build the system, I installed it (to save money) and I am a graduate IT-guy.

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DjRob wrote:
ddew wrote:
DjRob wrote:
Are you sure you aren't comparing the SYSTEMBUILDER against RETAIL?

Systembuilder versions are the same as retail but can be activated on 1 PC and are far cheaper then the normal retail box.
The only difference, with Retail you get only Vista with a Nice box, that's the difference.


Well there's also the whole support issue. If you buy a System Builder license then the system builder is responsible for end user support whereas if you buy a retail license it's Microsoft's responsibility.


Well, then the support is me then.
Only the store build the system, I installed it (to save money) and I am a graduate IT-guy.


IT-graduate or not, buying the SB copy and installing it on your computer is a breach of the SB license, but that's not really the issue. I just wanted to point out that there are more differences to account for the lower price than just a fancy box. :)


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:37 pm 
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ddew wrote:
DjRob wrote:
ddew wrote:
DjRob wrote:
Are you sure you aren't comparing the SYSTEMBUILDER against RETAIL?

Systembuilder versions are the same as retail but can be activated on 1 PC and are far cheaper then the normal retail box.
The only difference, with Retail you get only Vista with a Nice box, that's the difference.


Well there's also the whole support issue. If you buy a System Builder license then the system builder is responsible for end user support whereas if you buy a retail license it's Microsoft's responsibility.


Well, then the support is me then.
Only the store build the system, I installed it (to save money) and I am a graduate IT-guy.


IT-graduate or not, buying the SB copy and installing it on your computer is a breach of the SB license, but that's not really the issue. I just wanted to point out that there are more differences to account for the lower price than just a fancy box. :)


This is going way off-topic.
But it's not in breach with the license.
OEM Systembuilder versions needs to be sold with new hardware, and mine was bought with an entire computer.

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DjRob wrote:
ddew wrote:
DjRob wrote:
ddew wrote:
DjRob wrote:
Are you sure you aren't comparing the SYSTEMBUILDER against RETAIL?

Systembuilder versions are the same as retail but can be activated on 1 PC and are far cheaper then the normal retail box.
The only difference, with Retail you get only Vista with a Nice box, that's the difference.


Well there's also the whole support issue. If you buy a System Builder license then the system builder is responsible for end user support whereas if you buy a retail license it's Microsoft's responsibility.


Well, then the support is me then.
Only the store build the system, I installed it (to save money) and I am a graduate IT-guy.


IT-graduate or not, buying the SB copy and installing it on your computer is a breach of the SB license, but that's not really the issue. I just wanted to point out that there are more differences to account for the lower price than just a fancy box. :)


This is going way off-topic.
But it's not in breach with the license.
OEM Systembuilder versions needs to be sold with new hardware, and mine was bought with an entire computer.


Ok, even more off topic then. :)

I suggest you read Section 5, paragraph A of the SB license.


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For each unit of Software in the Pack, you must pre-install one copy of the Software on a Customer System prior
to distribution. If the Software includes more than one language version, you must install only one language
version.


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There are still copies (OEM, retail) of XP for sale on newegg.com. It doesn't seem that XP is completely sold out yet.

And about OEM copies, can you transfer your license from computer to computer? I hear that Microsoft isn't even checking hardware anymore with Vista activations. I've installed my copy of Vista about a dozen times already and shifted it through three different machines, and I haven't had to call Microsoft yet.


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And about OEM copies, can you transfer your license from computer to computer? I hear that Microsoft isn't even checking hardware anymore with Vista activations. I've installed my copy of Vista about a dozen times already and shifted it through three different machines, and I haven't had to call Microsoft yet.


Here's the deal, it's technically a breach of contract to transfer OEM licenses but they tend to look the other way. Seeing how the percentage of computers sold without any OS:es on them is pretty miniscule I'm guessing it's not worth the hassle to track every installation down. :)


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