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 PostPost subject: Microsoft confirms PDC attendees to get pre-beta Windows 7        Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:46 pm 
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Source: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1607

Microsoft isn’t sharing specifics, but according to new information on its Professional Developers Conference (PDC) blog, the company is definitely planning to distribute in late October a pre-beta build of Windows 7 to attendees.

I’m assuming this build will not be the same one (the “M3″ build 6780) that leaked over the past week. The reason? Microsoft just added a bunch of new Windows 7 sessions to the PDC agenda that are focused on new user interface elements that are not part of the 6870 build I saw last week.

One of the new PDC sessions mentions a “Windows 7 Desktop Taskbar.” Another mentions “new shell user experiences APIs (application programming interfaces). And another is slated to discuss “new APIs to find, visualize and organize.”

I haven’t seen the new taskbar that is part of some of the Windows 7 builds that I’ve heard a select few testers have seen and had an opportunity to play with. It’s not surprising that Microsoft has been especially vigilant in guarding what the UI of Windows 7 looks like, as that’s the final “fit and finish” that distinguish operating system releases.

I’m curious how similar the Windows Live Wave 3 services and Windows 7 will be in terms of user interface elements — and whether the UI can and will be influenced by tester feedback at this point in the development cycle.

One Windows Live Wave 3 tester mentioned to me earlier this week that some Windows Live testers aren’t too happy with the UI direction Microsoft is taking. From his note:

“For some reason, Microsoft has completely removed icons from tool bars (or Command bar) in all Live apps. A bug report ‘All Live products: Toolbar icons missing’ was closed as ‘Resolved (By Design)’ by Microsoft with the following comment (from a Micorsoft representative): ‘Windows and Windows Live is moving to a much more typographical driven UI over all (not saying it will all look like WLM!). The reason is that all the whitespace puts the spotlight on your content instead of the app frame.’

“Looking at the leaked W7 M3 pics, Windows Explorer sports the same icon-less tool bar.

“I think it’s a step backwards. I don’t know who Microsoft is listening to, but it’s definitely not going in the right direction.”

Back to Windows 7. Microsoft does make it clear that the code that users will be getting is “pre-beta.” (I’m still hearing Win 7 Beta 1 is due in December 2008 and the final Win7 ship target is some time in the latter half of 2009.) So I guess that’s one of the sets of bits that will be on the 160 GB external hard drive that Microsoft is providing to PDC attendees.

What other software do you hope Microsoft is ready to dole out to developers this fall?


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:03 pm 
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Does someone go to the PDC?

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Lol i bet this magically gets leaked.

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I hope MS will dole out some information on DirectX 11...

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Lol i bet this magically gets leaked.


I would love that, I call first dibs XD

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yeah, it would leak. i just wonder who would leak first ...

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Guys, look forward to a feature complete build =). According to someone @ Microsoft they are going to make a "feature freeze" at the PDC build.


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zeehonden_3 wrote:
Does someone go to the PDC?


I would go, but the passes are $2395. Not bad, but throw in airfare, hotels, food, drinks, booze, et cetera, it's gonna cost a lot.


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I sure couldn't justify paying $2395+ just to see a preview of a new OS! I would rather wait until either the latest leak occurs or when Microsoft starts handing out the Beta 1 and Beta 2, RC1 and RC2 builds to the general public like they did with Vista! The worse thing Microsoft could do with Windows 7 is: delay the project like they did with Vista and then, in sometime like 2011, they will reset the project and make up lots of excuses as to why they did so. All the really new technologies will have probably have gone, and SP2 for Windows Server 2008 will probably be out and Windows 7 will be rebuilt on that instead and turn out to be even worse than Vista is now!

So lets just hope Microsoft don't let us down a second time! :wink:


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I think that Ms will put VPC Images on the hdd instead of ISOs to prevent a leak

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Then how would anyone actually test it on their hardware?


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Indeed, Whilst some might be able to use VPC images, it's going to be no good for the Driver Programmers out there (A Particular issue for the WinHEC that comes shortly after)

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Zimmy wrote:
zeehonden_3 wrote:
Does someone go to the PDC?


I would go, but the passes are $2395. Not bad, but throw in airfare, hotels, food, drinks, booze, et cetera, it's gonna cost a lot.


You are richer than I :(

The LA Convention Ctr. is 45 minutes from me... but the $2,395.00 USD is more than I can budget for or afford.

I wonder if those attending the Pre-conference, 1 day event ($400.00 USD) on Sunday the 26th will get the goodies also?


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:59 pm 
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zeehonden_3 wrote:
Does someone go to the PDC?


I would go, but the passes are $2395. Not bad, but throw in airfare, hotels, food, drinks, booze, et cetera, it's gonna cost a lot.


You are richer than I :(

The LA Convention Ctr. is 45 minutes from me... but the $2,395.00 USD is more than I can budget for or afford.

I wonder if those attending the Pre-conference, 1 day event ($400.00 USD) on Sunday the 26th will get the goodies also?


cant you try to go in with the mass? in my family its somekind of "good old tradition" to get into such things for free 8)


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I am sure someone from WiNBETA etc would get into the PDC.

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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:37 pm 
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I think that Ms will put VPC Images on the hdd instead of ISOs to prevent a leak


Can't sure but I remember reading on some sites that PDC attenders will got a 4 Gb USB ( which contains Win7 ). Huhm, i'm wondering that a VPC Image of Win7 can't fit that USB. So, I thought it's orginial iso as usual.


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Sumreplay wrote:
Luckie wrote:
I think that Ms will put VPC Images on the hdd instead of ISOs to prevent a leak


Can't sure but I remember reading on some sites that PDC attenders will got a 4 Gb USB ( which contains Win7 ). Huhm, i'm wondering that a VPC Image of Win7 can't fit that USB. So, I thought it's orginial iso as usual.


Not, it's a 160GB HDD, it's what the Microsoft Event Manager stated to me when I received the program Schedule, and it's on there main PDC Site.

It will just be a burnable ISO Image on the HDD, exact to what Microsoft does when they do releases on there site to Public Betas.

Also, Namronia, not such a good idea, even if someone did manage to slip past...they would kind of lack the Neck ID :P

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The Distractor wrote:
I am sure someone from WiNBETA etc would get into the PDC.


I am hoping that the PDC2008 build of Windows 7 will come in both flavors... x86 & x64 (r)


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viper wrote:
The Distractor wrote:
I am sure someone from WiNBETA etc would get into the PDC.


I am hoping that the PDC2008 build of Windows 7 will come in both flavors... x86 & x64 (r)

It almost certainly will. They did that at PDC03, and I think they did that again at PDC05

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