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 PostPost subject: Windows XP Pro users to get more Genuine ‘nagware'        Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:46 pm 
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Source: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1553

Microsoft is stepping up its war on software pirates by rolling out new Windows Genuine notification software for what it is calling its most pirated version of Windows: Windows XP Professional.

Microsoft to target Windows XP Pro users with Genuine ‘nagware’ notifications

In an August 26 posting to the Windows Genuine Advantage blog, Director of Genuine Windows Alex Koch said XP users should expect Microsoft to begin rolling out a new version of Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA) notifications starting this week. Microsoft is expecting the rollout to take several months.

The new WGA notifications, which Microsoft will deliver via Windows Update, will behave like the WGA notifications introduced with Windows Vista Service Pack (SP) 1 back in December 2007. Specifically, users whose XP copies are deemed “non-Genuine” will see their screen backgrounds default to black and notice a translucent notice, warning them that their Windows might be counterfeit.

The WGA notification update is going to make it easier for Microsoft to detect stolen or pirated software, as well as fake product keys, Microsoft officials said. It will add new hindrances for users trying to circumvent product activation, as well, according to the new blog post.

The new release is aimed specifically at XP Professional users. From Koch’s post:

“Another thing we’re doing with this release is focusing on the product edition that is most often stolen. This will reduce the number of customers that will be offered the package. This release will be offered to the most pirated edition of Windows XP and therefore to users with the highest likelihood of having a non-genuine copy, those using Windows XP Pro. We’re also offering it to those using editions based on Pro code such as Tablet and Windows Media Center, but plan to narrow the offering to Pro in future releases.”

XP users who previously have not opted in to WGA notifications will be asked to accept an End User License Agreement (EULA), rather than an installation wizard. Users who agree to the EULA are agreeing to allow the anti-piracy validation control to auto-update itself with fewer releases.

“Microsoft is making these changes to simplify the installation process (making it easy for customers to stay up-to-date), to increase the effectiveness of these notifications, and to align experiences across Windows XP and Windows Vista,” according to a statement provided by a company spokeswoman.

Microsoft received kudos from many users when it replaced the Vista non-Genuine “kill switch” with mere nagware. I wonder if XP Pro users will feel the same….


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 PostPost subject:        Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:51 pm 
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Oh, not more of this crapware from them...still looks like it's optional anyway and you don't have to opt in to get updates etc :P


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align experiences across Windows XP and Windows Vista,” according to a statement provided by a company spokeswoman.

Well I guess we can't complain about MS making more of the features of their latest OS available for XP users, next they'll be bringing out an update to make XP slower so as to "align experiences" :P (only joking, I don't actually find Vista to be slow although it would be on an older PC)

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vista blows, be honest. as for the nagware, turn of auto-update,its not a big deal.


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Well, as long as they don't invalidate this key, I'm not gonna bitch, but if they do, me and 60,000 students are gonna [censored] lose it...

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Doesn't matter to me, my copy is Genuine. :P


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Lol, somthing I used to love to do when I was using a cracked Vista instead of Server 08, is the whole "check to see if your copy of windows is genuine".
I love the bit at the end when they go on with all crap about the saftey and security you can enjoy because you are using a genuine version of Vista :P


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Luckaly i have about 2 full OEM licenses.

1 from retail, 1 retail from technet.

And also 1 VLK key from my education, they also use it for all PC's (they just upgraded from, Compaq D51s, and HP Compaq D530 PC with Windows 2000 to, Dell Dual Core's with only 512MB Ram (why i dont know) and with XP, they can even Run Vista.

Also the PC's we use in our education (above ones are for all users) are Pentium D 3.0, 2GB of Ram, 256MB Video.
They run normally just Windows XP Professional 32-bit, but now we have an KMS Server wich runs Vista Business/Enterprise 64-bit.

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Mine uses a Genuine Key, even though this is targeted for people like me :P

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Joy. Can't wait.

I don't know all the facts in between, or whether he was lying, but my friend's step-dad was having trouble with Windows Update but ended up having his PC locked because he couldn't prove his Windows was authentic over the phone.

He wasn't lying about it being locked, but "locked" was just a reminder that you're breaking the law every time you log in.

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Ah. This probably will fail. WGA still reports pirated VLKs as genuine, so what's the problem. Still, It'll be cracked pretty quick no doubt anyway.

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Yeah, I really hate these stupid WGA things, they get cracked usually in less than 24 hrs, and all they do is annoy people away from Windows, IMO.

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WGA still reports pirated VLKs as genuine


Not all of them do :P

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vista blows, be honest. as for the nagware, turn of auto-update,its not a big deal.


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Good job I don't use XP :P

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I keep getting this feeling that Microsoft is killing its Easter European and Asian market dominance because when they are forced to pay money they will more likely try Linux or some other free alternative.

If I were Microsoft I would be happy with the status quo and continue making loads of money...

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I keep getting this feeling that Microsoft is killing its Easter European and Asian market dominance because when they are forced to pay money they will more likely try Linux or some other free alternative.

If I were Microsoft I would be happy with the status quo and continue making loads of money...


Microsoft are selling Starter Edition in some Asian markets for as little as $3/£1.50

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Starter Edition is terrible though, just horrible - low screen resolution, massive icons and cursor as if it's meant for 3-year-olds, the 3 program limit, very limited options/control panels etc - I wouldn't use it if they were paying us $3 to have it! :P

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I keep getting this feeling that Microsoft is killing its Easter European and Asian market dominance because when they are forced to pay money they will more likely try Linux or some other free alternative.

If I were Microsoft I would be happy with the status quo and continue making loads of money...


Microsoft are selling Starter Edition in some Asian markets for as little as $3/£1.50

$3? How much do monitors in Asian markets sell for?

Anyway, Microsoft should have included XP MCE 2005 Edition instead of just XP Pro(XP MCE 2005= XP Pro with Media Center Edition).


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Their ages range from 5-8 years old, and the models include Dell, Sun, Compaq, Sony, Trinitron, and View Sonic. Fitch has more View Sonics than any other brand.

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If I had a truck, I'd take them, but alas, I've got no way to get them, and really no where to put them.

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Why don't they just leave this 7 year old software alone.
If you ask anyone is 7 years ago outdated, they will say yes!

If you don't want to sell XP anymore, and people want XP, they pirate it.
There is no choice, doesn't anyone see that?
MS is being stupid.


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Bender wrote:
Monitors aren't cheap anywhere, but if your a non-profit, people love dumping [censored] on you, for example

Here is an email I recieved through our donation website,

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(Un-named large company located here,) a multidisciplinary design firm located in (My town), is currently looking for a donation/recyling partner for approximately 50 CRTs (a few of which are no longer operable).

Their ages range from 5-8 years old, and the models include Dell, Sun, Compaq, Sony, Trinitron, and View Sonic. Fitch has more View Sonics than any other brand.

Please let me know if we can work together.



If I had a truck, I'd take them, but alas, I've got no way to get them, and really no where to put them.

The internet is not a big truck. The internet is not something you can use to dump something out. The internet, IS A SERIES OF TUBES!

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Why don't they just leave this 7 year old software alone.
If you ask anyone is 7 years ago outdated, they will say yes!

If you don't want to sell XP anymore, and people want XP, they pirate it.
There is no choice, doesn't anyone see that?
MS is being stupid.
MS is even stupider for once selling XP MCE 2005 and issuing Rollup 2, making MCE 2005 the same as XP Pro with Media Center.


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Hahahahaha i got OEM MCE 2005. Im safe. I was running vista but i got bored with it.

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MS is even stupider for once selling XP MCE 2005 and issuing Rollup 2, making MCE 2005 the same as XP Pro with Media Center.


I'm pretty sure that MCE was always like Pro, not just after UR2. You know, there are a few features in Pro that MCE doesn't have, it's nothing major, but they exist.

Most people think Pro is better but don't know why. For those people, Pro is a waste of money. I guess not if they're pirating it though.

I'm not sure about this, but if copyright holders don't protect their copyrighted content themselves then the law says that they don't have a right to it. So, if Microsoft just let copyright infringement run rampant and then one day decided to bring someone to court over it, the court would be in favor of the infringer. Plus, if they just gave away XP for free no one would buy Vista. DO NOT use that as an example of Microsoft pushing Vista onto people, they are simply protecting their copyrights and making money. They need to make money like any other business.


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Well WGA doesn't other me anymore now that all my PCs run legal copies. i did have an XP Pro box 2yrs ago that was dodge, just got fed up trying to keep it alive and lack of Windows Updates so bought Home Edition OEM. So in a way MS plan worked with me, I didn't even bother with cracking Vista, bought two copies on release day one retail one OEM to save myself future hassle.

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