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Hello, I'm looking for international versions of Norton Commander for DOS. Any versions you have, would do.
Especially looking for Norton Commander 2.0 English, Norton Commander 1.0 German, any French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese (any variant), Dutch, Swedish, Danish, or Norwegian versions would be greatly appreciated.
I already have Norton Commander versions from 2.0 to 5.51 German, from 4.0 to 5.51 Russian, and from 5.0 to 5.51 Polish, though I still need Norton Commander 5.5 Russian, and Polish, and any pre-4.0 Russian versions, and any pre-5.0 Polish versions as well.

Thanks in advance. ;)

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 PostPost subject: Re: Norton Commander for DOS international versions        Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:31 pm 
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I think i had NC PL 4.0 somewhere. I will try to find it and upload for you :)

EDIT: Found it, four floppys, not sure if it's 4.0, not sure if those floppys are still working. I will check when i will have access to any working computer with FDD.


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First post from me, good to be here !

I have a greek version of NC for dos at home, will
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 PostPost subject: Re: Norton Commander for DOS international versions        Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:30 pm 
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BTW, do you happen to have any greek versions of MS-DOS and old Windows (pre-95)? If yes, could you upload those as well. ;)

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 PostPost subject: Re: Norton Commander for DOS international versions        Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:42 pm 
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Hello again.
There was never a fully greek localized version of ms-dos (i think i have
one of windows 3.0 and one of windows 3.1 somewhere, i have to check).
There were disks with greek support (read and write greek text in windows,
applications and dos interface) for both of them that used the english versions.

I have uploaded some of them here :

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Z87839W0

What you'll find inside is Adobe ATM 2.0.2 and the disks with the greek fonts for it,
Greek support disks for Windows NT 3.5, MS-DOS 5.0 in 360k floppy images with the extra greek support disk, and the complete Windows for workgroups 3.11 floppy images with the two greek installation disks. You have to install fron disk1gr disk and it will guide you to install a system with full greek support (you cannot add support in an installed english system, you have to install it with greek support from the beginning)

These are all imaged from my old floppy disks by me (they are not downloaded from
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I still have to find my disk of greek support for ms-dos 6.x and the greek norton commander so i will upload them later.

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Hello everyone, I'm looking for any kind of International versions of Norton Commander for DOS, all the versions from 1.0 to 5.51, well those that aren't on the FTP already.

Thanks in advance.

Moderator note by Battler: This post and all the posts below it have been merged with the previous one on the same subject in order to keep all the information in the same place.

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You can google 'Norton Commander' and find some virtual diskettes for download.

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So, I have Norton Commander 5.0 Italian now. I'm going to upload it later today.

Also this site: https://labitat.dk/wiki/User:Lionizer mentions Norton Commander 3.0 Danish. I have 5.0 (but it's pre-installed, therefore not acceptable for BA, unfortunately), but not 3.0, and I presume 4.0 also exists (which I don't have).

Also still looking for Norton Commander 4.0 French, as well as 5.0 Czech (4.0 exists in Czech so I assume 5.x do, too), Dutch and Swedish. And a lot of 5.5x versions that seems to be the rarest. I also wonder if any Norton Commander version for DOS exists in Portuguese, Norwegian, Catalan, Hungarian. And of course, Japanese, Chinese, or Korean.

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Also still looking for Norton Commander 4.0 French, as well as 5.0 Czech (4.0 exists in Czech so I assume 5.x do, too), Dutch and Swedish. And a lot of 5.5x versions that seems to be the rarest. I also wonder if any Norton Commander version for DOS exists in Portuguese, Norwegian, Catalan, Hungarian. And of course, Japanese, Chinese, or Korean.


I think we can create a list of all known NC versions.

1. NC 1.x
  • NC v1.0 (15.05.1986) English -the very first version. It's available on BA ftp. I've never heard/seen any info about possible localizations. I've seen "NC 1.02D (Deutsch)", but in fact it was English.
  • NC v1.01 (25.11.1986) English

2. NC 2.x
  • NC v2.0 (15.07.1988) English - original version (has been found by Battler).
  • NC v2.01 (16.09.1988) English - original version (has been found by Battler).
  • NC v2.01 (??.??.1988 ?) German - NC.exe contains version number 2.01. Translated dialogs, messages and help. Custom localization done by some enthusiasts or official one ?
  • NC v2.01 (??.??.1988 ?) Spanish. CN.exe contains version number 2.01. Translated dialogs, messages and help. Another custom localization or.. ?
  • NC v2.02 (??.??.1988 ?) French. Everything that's said about Spanish can be applied to French version.

3. NC 3.x
  • NC v3.0 (23.10.1989) English - the only english version I know, it's on BA ftp.
  • NC v3.0 (19.03.1990) German
  • NC v3.0 (??.??.199?) French - incomplete version is available. Probably official localization. Dialogs, messages and help are translated.
  • NC v3.0 (??.??.199?) Russian- incomplete version is available. Probably official localization, photo of it's original box is available. Dialogs, messages and help are translated.
  • NC v3.0 (??.??.199?) Danish - ???
  • NC v3.0 (??.??.199?) Spanish - ???

4. NC 4.x
  • NC v4.0.22 (29.03.1993) English - pre-beta, reconstructed installation floppies.
  • NC v4.0.?? (??.04.1993) German - beta
  • NC v4.0.26 (??.04.1993) German - beta 2
  • NC v4.0.32 (??.05.1993) German - beta 3
  • NC v4.0.40 (10.05.1993) English - original version. Available from BA ftp
  • NC v4.0.40 (10.05.1993) German - original version. Available from BA ftp
  • NC v4.0.52 (10.06.1993) English - original version. Available from BA ftp
  • NC v4.0.57 (26.07.1993) English - original version. Available from BA ftp
  • NC v4.0.61 (6.10.1993) English - original version. Available from BA ftp
  • NC v4.0.52 (25.08.1994) Czech - preinstalled version. Timestamp in ncmain.exe - 12.05.1994
  • NC v4.0.54 (24.06.1993) Dutch - preinstalled version
  • NC v4.0.56 (16.07.1993) German - preinstalled version
  • NC v4.0.57 (9.08.1993) Spanish - preinstalled version. Timestamp in ncmain.exe - 8.06.1993
  • NC v4.0.57 (26.07.1993) German - original version. Available from BA ftp.
  • NC v4.0.57 (27.07.1993) German, Private edition - incomplete ? fake ?. Available from BA ftp.
  • NC v4.0.57 (5.08.1993) Italian - original version. Available from BA ftp.
  • NC v4.0.57 (12.08.1993) Swedish - original version. Available from BA ftp.
  • NC v4.0.57 (5.11.1993 ?) Russian - original version, translated by Logrus Ltd. (Symantec localization partner in Russia before Symantec Localization Group in Ireland was established). Real timestamp is unknown, program was localized in August '93
  • NC v4.0.?? (?.??.1993 ?) Polish - ???

5. NC 5.x
  • NC v5.0 (7.02.1995) English - original version. Available from BA ftp.
  • NC v5.0 Junior (28.02.1995) English - original version. ncmain.exe contains note: "To upgrade Norton Commander Junior to a complete version of Norton Commander 5.0 for DOS, in the following languages: Swedish, Danish, Norwegian, Italian, Dutch and Polish see your local dealer..." bla bla bla
  • NC v5.0 (or 5.01 according to compressed files timestamp ?) - (20.07.1995) English
  • NC v5.0 (8.02.1995) German - original version. Available from BA ftp.
  • NC v5.0 Upgrade (8.02.1995) German - original version. Available from BA ftp.
  • NC v5.0 (12.04.1995) Spanish - original version. Available from BA ftp.
  • NC v5.0 (16.04.1995 - maybe wrong date) Polish - original version. Available from BA ftp. (timestamp of compressed installation files - 28.03.1995)
  • NC v5.0 (25.05.1995) Russian - original version. Available from BA ftp.
  • NC v5.0 (28.06.1995) French - original version. Available from BA ftp.
  • NC v5.0 (23.03.1995) Italian - original version. Available from BA ftp.
  • NC v5.0 (4.05.1995) Danish - preinstalled version
  • NC v5.0 (??.??.1995 ?) Swedish - ???
  • NC v5.0 (??.??.1995 ?) Norwegian - ???
  • NC v5.0 (??.??.1995 ?) Dutch - ???
  • NC v5.0 Junior (16.10.1996) French - seems to be original version.
  • NC v5.01 (5.07.1995) German - original version
  • NC v5.04 (17.08.1995, in fact 24.07.1995) German - original version , available on BA ftp. Version 5.04 is mentioned in nc.cfg
  • NC v5.5 (5.11.1998) English - original version. Available from BA ftp
  • NC v5.5 (5.11.1998) German - original version. Available from BA ftp
  • NC v5.51 (10.02.1999) English - original version. Available from BA ftp
  • NC v5.51 (17.02.1999) German - original version. Available from BA ftp
  • NC v5.51 (25.02.1999) Polish - original version. Available from BA ftp
  • NC v5.51 (25.02.1999) Russian - original version. Available from BA ftp

6. NC for OS/2
  • NC v1.00 for OS/2 (12.11.1992) - English - original version. The first and only known OS/2 version, commercial flop.

7. NC for Windows 1.x
  • NC v1.01 for Windows (28.05.1996) English - original version
  • NC v1.01 for Windows (21.05.1996) Russian - original version
  • NC v1.02 for Windows (1.10.1996) English - original version
  • NC v1.02 for Windows (1.10.1996) German - original version

8. NC for Windows 2.x
  • NC v2.01 for Windows (12.02.1999) English - original version
  • NC v2.01 for Windows (1.03.1999) Russian - original version
  • NC v2.01 for Windows (12.03.1999) Czech - original version
  • NC v2.01 for Windows (12.03.1999) Polish - original version

Well-known fake:
NC MFF with string "Build 40" inside. Definitely some hack (as well as NC 4.5)

Another strange version
NC v4.5 build 40 (1.01.1994) - ? Looks like it was made from some early build of NC 4.0.40 or so.

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I have 5.0 (but it's pre-installed, therefore not acceptable for BA, unfortunately)

I'd gladly add it to my collection anyway if possible.

p.s. Feel free to add some new info and/or correct this list.

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And of course, Japanese, Chinese, or Korean.

Not sure about NC, but at least Norton Utilities 8.0 for DOS Chinese and Korean really existed. I have both versions, unfortunately not on original media. Who knows, maybe Japanese version existed as well.


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 PostPost subject: Re: [REQ] Norton Commander for DOS Intrnational versions...        Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 7:19 pm 
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I made some searching on the Czech version of Norton Commander 5.0.

https://vufind.techlib.cz/Record/000013 ... ls?&lng=en
This is a National Library of Technology record for a NC5 Czech user guide.

http://www.zive.cz/clanky/norton-comman ... fault.aspx
This article mentions a beta of NC2.0 for Windows and NC5.5 for DOS being available for free from the European website of Symantec. It also mentions that a localized beta of NC2.0 for Windows was to be made available in November 1998. The last section also says that "New Commanders for Windows and DOS are prepared to also be localized to Czech", this means NC5.5 most probably existed in Czech.

http://pcworld.cz/software/novy-a-cesky ... 0-cz-15178
This article is a review of the final NC2.0 for Windows localized version. It reports that the package came with three packs of floppy disks with the English, Russian and Polish versions, and a CD-ROM which included the Czech version and also had NC5.5 in the "English" directory (which arises the question whether NC5.5 has been localized in the end or not).

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This article is a review of the final NC2.0 for Windows localized version. It reports that the package came with three packs of floppy disks with the English, Russian and Polish versions, and a CD-ROM which included the Czech version and also had NC5.5 in the "English" directory (which arises the question whether NC5.5 has been localized in the end or not).

It doesn't seem to mention the German version, and not only does it exist, we even have both 5.5 and 5.51 in German. On the other hand, we're missing 5.5 in Russian (we have 5.0 and 5.51 but not 5.5). Same goes for Polish.
Oh, and I completely forgot. Another Norton Comamnder 5.x version that I'm sure exists (because 4.0 exists and I have it) but we don't have (yet), is the Dutch version.

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Oh, and I completely forgot. Another Norton Comamnder 5.x version that I'm sure exists (because 4.0 exists and I have it) but we don't have (yet), is the Dutch version.


Sure it does exist:
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p.s. If you guys need some versions from the list above except those with ??? which I don't have (yet) - let me know. Unfortunately I cannot offer 'em for BA ftp cause they aren't from original media.

p.p.s. Just found NC 2.01 Spanish version (exe only). So was v2.01 officially translated into other languages by PNCI or ?


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- tarlabnor: Norton Commander was officially translated into other languages. And in fact, the German version seems to be easier to find online than the English version.

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NC v4.0.22 (29.03.1993) English - pre-release

Could you please upload this somewhere?

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NC v4.0.57 (26.07.1993) German - original version. Available from BA ftp.

There's also 4.0.56 German that I have but not in a form acceptable for the BA FTP. It's dated 16.07.1993.

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NC v4.0.57 (27.07.1993) German, Private edition - incomplete ? fake ?. Available from BA ftp.

This is some edition probably for machines not fully compatible with regular PC's. Runs on a regular PC but freezes when displaying directory contents.

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NC v5.0 (??.??.1995 ?) Italian - original version (see Battler's note)

The date is 23.03.1995.

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Another strange version
NC v4.5 build 40 (1.01.1994) - ? Looks like it was made from some early build of NC 4.0.40 or so.

Versions are floating around both packed with PKlite and non-packed with bogus bytes inserted in the end of the file. There's also other fakes made from 4.0.40. One is 6.0 which is actually derived from the 4.5, and one is 7.0 by Fatal Connection that I have.

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NC v5.01 (5.07.1995) German - original version
NC v5.04 (17.08.1995, in fact 24.07.1995) German - original version

Could you please upload these somewhere?

Also, all your 3.0's and earlier too would be nice. :p

Also I have NC 3.0 German.

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NC v5.0 (??.??.1995 ?) Danish - ???

The date is 04.05.1995.

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NC v5.0 (28.06.1995) French - original version. Available from BA ftp.

There's also a version on 2 disks, dated 16.10.1996 that seems to have some features disabled. NC.MSG has a string saying something like "This feature is only available in the full edition. Please contact your local Symantec update center. <French phone number here>". I have the install files, and it should be easy to reconstruct the floppies (INSTALL.CFG has listings for both disks).

Edit: And you also forgot this one:
NC v4.0.40 (10.05.1993) English - original version. Available from BA ftp.

Also these were released on the scene:
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NC4.ZIP       1168084  04-03-93  NORTON COMMANDER 4.0  *GERMAN*  BETA
NC4BETA2.ZIP   745082  04-20-93  Norton Commander 4.0 Beta 0.26 -GERMAN-  1/2
NC4BETA3.ZIP  1244380  05-21-93  Norton Commander 4.0 Beta V0.32 -GERMAN-


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but at least Norton Utilities 8.0 for DOS Chinese and Korean really existed. I have both versions,

Could you please upload that somewhere as well?

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You can now download my stuff from here: http://forum.softhistory.org/nc . Enjoy !

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Could you please upload this somewhere?


Sure. Here is it: https://yadi.sk/d/TQbMMMtEgh8Ez (if I forgot something, let me know).

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Also I have NC 3.0 German

And as far as I know there was also Spanish version of NC 3.0, also translated by ANAYA Multimedia S.A. (has been found on Spanish forum):
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El Comandante Norton, Copyright (C) 1986, 88, 89, Peter Norton Computing, Inc. Traducción Castellano, Copyright (C) 1988 ANAYA Multimedia S.A.


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- tarlabnor: At least the NC 4.0.22 and the German NC 5.0's should be acceptable for the FTP, as you can reconstruct floppy images out of them.

As for the NC 5.0 Junior, I compared its count of files with the "non-complete edition" of NC 5.0 French I had, and it essentially matches. So that NC is NC 5.0 Junior French, and the original installer files no less, therefore I can easily reconstruct the floppy images (using INSTALL.CFG as reference). :p Sadly, the English one is not the original installer files.

However, whatever is in a form not acceptable for the BA FTP, can go to SoftHistory and its FTP because I also preserve incomplete abandonware there.

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I just found Norton Commander 2.01 English full (also has demo and the samples). Just need to make a floppy image out of it, then I'll post a link here.

Edit: There you go: http://citadel.ringoflightning.net/nc201en.rar .

Edit #2: And 2.0 too! Here: http://citadel.ringoflightning.net/nc20en.rar .

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 PostPost subject: Re: [REQ] Norton Commander for DOS Intrnational versions...        Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 11:51 pm 
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Wow ! Thanks a lot ! Now it's really time to update the big NC list :)

And btw Norton Desktop for DOS v1.0 has so-called "Norton Comander Compatibility Mode" which in fact looks and works exactly like The Norton Commander with additional menu "Utilities".

p.s. I've started sorting out Central Point PC-Tools, Norton Utilities and Norton Desktop (both english and international versions), so I plan to create similar topic about them, just need to prepare big list of what's already found and what's not (yet).


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 PostPost subject: Re: [REQ] Norton Commander for DOS Intrnational versions...        Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 12:45 am 
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- tarlabnor: I just remembered my previous thread on the same subject: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=8143 . There, someone claimed they had a version of Norton Commander for DOS in Greek, but they so far haven't uploaded it.

Edit: Just merged the two threads, so we have everything in one place. I also notice that fzajac claimed to have Norton Commander 4.0 Polish, but it hasn't seen the light of the day either. However, there are (or at least used to be) several sites findable on Google with references to it.

Edit: I just noticed you wrote:
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NC v2.0 (25.07.1988) English - original version (has been found by Battler).

It's actually 15.07.1988. The 25.07 dates on the incomplete copy are wrong it seems (the complete copy has all files dated 15.07.1988).

Edit #2: And the French limited version turned out to be the French version of Norton Commander 5.0 Junior. The files match the English version, except it's the original installer. I already made floppy images out of it and uploaded them to the BA FTP.

Edit #3: And here is a scan of an Italian magazine from 1995 selling Norton Commander 4.0 and Norton Commander 5.0 Junior. I think Norton Commander 5.0 Junior might have also been available in Italian.

Edit #4: About this:
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NC v4.0.22 (29.03.1993) English - pre-beta, preinstalled version is available

It's not a preinstalled version, it's the original installer, albeit in folders. It has one folder for each floppy, and it has INSTALL.EXE (on disk 1) and NC_ARC.EXE (on disk 2). I made floppy images out of it already and uploaded them to the BA FTP, crediting you tarlabnor. :p

Edit #5: And you still haven't added 4.0.56 German that we have (but not in a form acceptable for BA).

Edit #6: Last year already I started also adding Norton Commander versions here: http://forum.softhistory.org/buildlist.php . Maybe I should resume that.

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 PostPost subject: Re: [REQ] Norton Commander for DOS Intrnational versions...        Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 7:57 pm 
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Battler wrote:
Edit #3: And here is a scan of an Italian magazine from 1995 selling Norton Commander 4.0 and Norton Commander 5.0 Junior. I think Norton Commander 5.0 Junior might have also been available in Italian.

Seems like NC Junior 5.0 was an English version ('i' or 'e' chars):
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Btw here's also info about NU 8.0 Italian (I didn't know about it), but that's for another topic.

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Edit #6: Last year already I started also adding Norton Commander versions here: http://forum.softhistory.org/buildlist.php . Maybe I should resume that.

All details in the main list have been corrected according your notes. You're welcome to add it to "Norton Commander versions" on softhistory.org if you find it useful. I really hope there will be some more findings to add.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Norton Commander for DOS international versions        Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:23 pm 
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-Battler: NC v2.02 French (nc.exe only).
Actually it doesn't look like official localisation more than Spanish or German NC 2.x. So just for collection.


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 PostPost subject: Re: Norton Commander for DOS international versions        Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:32 pm 
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- tarlabnor: Does 2.02 English exist? If yes, that makes it another version to find.

Also, there is also a scene release of Norton Commander 4.0 from January 1992, but I think it might be fake based on 3.0, though I'd need to see a copy before I could say more clearly. The earliest known date of the real 4.0 is a year later, January 22nd, 1993, mentioned in several files of 4.0 (with January misspelled as Janary), so I'd say any "4.0" before then can't possibly be real.

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 PostPost subject: Re: Norton Commander for DOS international versions        Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:08 pm 
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- tarlabnor: Does 2.02 English exist? If yes, that makes it another version to find.

I'm afraid that all non-english NC 2.0x are "custom" made and PNCI has nothing to do with it. I was unable to find any trace saying they released non-english NC 2.x officially. Therefore it's possible that version number was changed to 2.02 by localizer. And I saw no info at all about english NC 2.02 as well.

p.s. Some interesting things from online-magazin Computerwoche:
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Ab Januar 1990 soll die DOS-Manager-Software Norton Commander 3.0 in der deutschen Version verfügbar sein.
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Der Preis für Version 3.0 beträgt 360 Mark. Für die Umstellung von der Version 2.1 auf die neue berechnet sich ein Update-Preis von 90 Mark.


Sooo... here we see that:
1. NC 3.0 German is absolutely official version (ok, we knew it)
2. Upgrade from NC 2.1... wait, 2.1 ??? Or it's just a typo and it should been 2.01 ? Anyway I looked through old PC Mag and InfoWorld issues and found nothing about "NC 2.1"


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 PostPost subject: Re: Norton Commander for DOS international versions        Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:53 pm 
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Added info about NC v1.01 (English).

And btw I start to think we need a small corner on the forum specially for version lists of different apps. Such themes easily "disappear" in Offers/Requests.


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