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 PostPost subject: [REQ] BeOS Install ISO/CD        Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:53 pm 
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I downloaded every little thing the BA server has for BeOS and I still can't install it. I've searched everywhere and I still don't get it. Does anyone here have a CD that will install without me using floppies and running the installer and switching discs and other things that don't work?

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There's tons of things that can be wrong. Odds are your computer is unsupported and/or you have too much ram. If it's an older machine with just 512MB ram you might get lucky with Dano and if that fails you can try Zeta or BeOS MAX.

But if you want to get a feel for what a modern BeOS can do I totally recommend downloading a pre-alpha VMWare image from haiku-os.org and running that. It's surprisingly stable and the pre-alpha images come with firefox, some development tools and some other stuff to play around with. Looks better than Zeta and BeOS combined too thanks to proper font rendering etc.


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Most of the time the issue is an unsupported IDE chipset. Hit spacebar during boot and turn off IDE DMA.


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I did all of that and my hardware is supported. I tried this before as well and I hit spacebar and selected boot for cd-rom but it just said instert BeOS cd.

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I did all of that and my hardware is supported. I tried this before as well and I hit spacebar and selected boot for cd-rom but it just said instert BeOS cd.


Sure you've burnt the cd correctly? BeOS can't be distributed as an ISO but has to be a .cue/.bin combo thanks to it's multi-track layout. The first track is the basic boot floppy and the second track is a bfs filesystem image. It's also very picky about which IDE channel you have the cddrive on, your best bet is to put the harddrive on IDE0 Master and the cddrive on IDE0 Slave.


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Is that required for MAX?

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Is that required for MAX?


Well BeOS MAX is really just BeOS PE modified to be installable with some added and updated software. Some drivers have been added but it's still based on the deprecated 5.0.3 kernel and systemland. So most of what applies to a base BeOS R5 applies with some minor adjustements as far as hdd compatibility goes.


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I got MAX running! Yay! :D

I will try this for the rest of them.

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How do you burn XBEOX (LiveCD of BeOS)?

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I haven't tried XBEOX but if it's a live cd I'm guessing the procedure is the same as for the regular cds. First track being the bootimg and the second being image.be (the filesystem image). Good luck.


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It has a cue file, and XBEOX.img file and a boot.img

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Well the .cue file should have entries for the .img files so just burn it and hopefully it'll boot.


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Senryu PE is your best bet. haikuware.com. Its vmware images of a preinstalled haiku system. Heaps of programs and other goodies to play wiith.


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Ah zeta. Yellowtab really did something good with BeOS. Pity they had no rights to the source. PalmSource owns the whole lot now. And there just going to let it die. So sad.


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Ah zeta. Yellowtab really did something good with BeOS. Pity they had no rights to the source. PalmSource owns the whole lot now. And there just going to let it die. So sad.


"Good" is highly subjective. The added hardware support was nice but it added a lot of unecessary crap that BeOS was never designed with in mind and removed what made BeOS really great. BeOS/Haiku's big selling point is that it's designed with desktops in mind. Pretty much everything about the system can be traced back to improving the desktop experience with it's multithreading and credo "assume the default but enable change". BeOS is meant to be working out of the box and have everything setup with no user intervention. It's also designed to be single-user, the only reason user accounts even exists is because of POSIX compatibility.

Zeta killed off the speed, ease of use and hacked on multi-user bits that the system was never designed to handle. It did some good things as far as keeping it running goes but that's about it.

I'd also avoid using Senryu if you want to get a feel for Haiku since it's pretty bloated and slow. You'd be much better off using the vmware images from haiku-files.org and installing needed software from bebits.com or haikuware.com.

Best of luck :)


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Actually, the version to be released after BeOS 5, Dano, was to implement multi-user support. The plan had always been there. You can see how the hacked Dano release called PhosphorOS (or PhOS) was able to get that going. Since Zeta used the same code base as PhOS, I imagine that was why it got Multi-User support.


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Actually, the version to be released after BeOS 5, Dano, was to implement multi-user support. The plan had always been there. You can see how the hacked Dano release called PhosphorOS (or PhOS) was able to get that going. Since Zeta used the same code base as PhOS, I imagine that was why it got Multi-User support.


The thing is that multi-user was for all intents and purposes a work in progress at that time and not even really functional. Unless you count manually moving around folders for the root user (baron) and renaming yourself to something else you'll be hard pressed to call it multi-user. Be Inc. also had it's infamous focus shift to concentrate all efforts on BeIA before they saw R6 through so it's impossible to draw any conclusions. Sure BeOS had user accounts since get go but that was for POSIX compatibility and not even Dano had proper accounts support. Work had begun on R6 to build on that but afterall it was WIP stuff leaked after Be shut it's doors and for all we know they might've decided it wasn't working and scrapped it all together.

Zeta has no real multiuser (with permissions) and neither did Dano, they have illusions of accounts similar to Windows 98 but that's about it.


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I have Zeta and couldn't get the internet working. It saw my network card but still didn't work. Does anyone know how to configure it?


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The thing is that multi-user was for all intents and purposes a work in progress at that time and not even really functional. Unless you count manually moving around folders for the root user (baron) and renaming yourself to something else you'll be hard pressed to call it multi-user. Be Inc. also had it's infamous focus shift to concentrate all efforts on BeIA before they saw R6 through so it's impossible to draw any conclusions. Sure BeOS had user accounts since get go but that was for POSIX compatibility and not even Dano had proper accounts support. Work had begun on R6 to build on that but afterall it was WIP stuff leaked after Be shut it's doors and for all we know they might've decided it wasn't working and scrapped it all together.

Zeta has no real multiuser (with permissions) and neither did Dano, they have illusions of accounts similar to Windows 98 but that's about it.


Yes, it did. Processes were owned by the user which launched them. home pointed to the appropriate place. Process segregation and permissions were there just fine... as in, no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get a process from one user to read/write to the address space of a process from another user.

I have absolutely no clue what else you would need to consider something "real multiuser". It was simply tracker that was multiuser retarded.

Feel free to talk to mmu_man on #haiku on irc.freenode.net. He was one of the Zeta developers. Actually there are a few of them in there.


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dirtwarrior: What network card do you have?

One of the unfortunate things about Zeta was that Bernd cherry picked a lot of things from Haiku, but they didnt always work. This is especially true with drivers.

Best option is to go to bebits and see if there is a better driver.


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The thing is that multi-user was for all intents and purposes a work in progress at that time and not even really functional. Unless you count manually moving around folders for the root user (baron) and renaming yourself to something else you'll be hard pressed to call it multi-user. Be Inc. also had it's infamous focus shift to concentrate all efforts on BeIA before they saw R6 through so it's impossible to draw any conclusions. Sure BeOS had user accounts since get go but that was for POSIX compatibility and not even Dano had proper accounts support. Work had begun on R6 to build on that but afterall it was WIP stuff leaked after Be shut it's doors and for all we know they might've decided it wasn't working and scrapped it all together.

Zeta has no real multiuser (with permissions) and neither did Dano, they have illusions of accounts similar to Windows 98 but that's about it.


Yes, it did. Processes were owned by the user which launched them. home pointed to the appropriate place. Process segregation and permissions were there just fine... as in, no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get a process from one user to read/write to the address space of a process from another user.

I have absolutely no clue what else you would need to consider something "real multiuser". It was simply tracker that was multiuser retarded.

Feel free to talk to mmu_man on #haiku on irc.freenode.net. He was one of the Zeta developers. Actually there are a few of them in there.


Yeah, I'm very familiar with that channel. Been hanging out there the past few years. Wonderful project with great people, had many discussions about user accounts support with them. :)

Anyways, obviously we disagree on what constitutes real multiuser. Address space et al are part of the POSIX standard so that's a pretty given feature to support for a POSIX-compatible system. That doesn't make a system proper multi-user with multiple usable accounts. Fact remains that Zeta 1.21 and 1.5's support for that is a hack, dano doesn't have it and neither does R5. The way the OS is laid out makes adding support for different users tricky and there's little, if any, evidence that Be where doing that in Dano.


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So if it is a posix implementation, it is a hack? Linux pre-2.4 (No ACL's) is a hack?

Flat out, give me SOMETHING that is missing that constitutes a "real" multiuser system. A real example. And give me an example that makes BeOS inherent multiuser abilities (NOT tracker) a "hack".

Else, I will not be able to have a proper, civil conversation/debate about it. Right now, it is all smoke.


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Flat out, give me SOMETHING that is missing that constitutes a "real" multiuser system. A real example. And give me an example that makes BeOS inherent multiuser abilities (NOT tracker) a "hack".


Like I said, BeOS handles multiple accounts as far as POSIX goes but the OS itself doesn't have any real provisions for it. Permissions aren't fully implemented, many apps ignore them. Appserver and the various kits aren't designed for more than one user at a time. There are other things too but those are the ones I can recall off the top of my head, I'm digging up my BeOS system later so I'm sure I'll think of more.

Edit: Having the system bootscript placing stuff in $HOME is also an indication.


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dirtwarrior: What network card do you have?

One of the unfortunate things about Zeta was that Bernd cherry picked a lot of things from Haiku, but they didnt always work. This is especially true with drivers.

Best option is to go to bebits and see if there is a better driver.

I got the SID 900 Fast Ethernet
I tried automatic, then I tried manuel and entered my info nothing worked. I would use it as my main OS if I can get internet to work.


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